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[00:00] Man, look at that. Nice bike, isn’t it?
[00:04] It sure is. Actually, a friend of mine, I’ve only ever met him online, is meeting us here, and he actually donated this bike to the Hall of Fame. I’m really excited to meet him in person.
[00:14] Oh, is his name Greg Matias?
[00:17] It It is Greg. Hey, it’s happening. Wow. Hey, it’s nice to finally meet you.
[00:24] This is Yeah, you too. Thank you. This is Ann Marie. Hi, Ann.
[00:28] Hi. Wow. like you guys know each other so well, but no, what a great great thing to see.
[00:36] She’s a sweetheart. She is. We appreciate that. Thank you.
[00:40] Uh so my wife is meeting up with a friend today, so we’re having a daddy daughter day instead. I guess that’s kind of a daddy daughter, Uncle Greg
[00:48] day, but but yeah. Uh so this bike, this was Harry’s 24in Daylight that he won the ROC1 on in
[00:57] 2022. Yeah, that was his last ROC1 plate that he got. That was from the last national that he did. That was the
[01:06] bike he was riding, which I purchased from him shortly after the Grand. And I rode it for about 6 months. It was the
[01:14] bike uh I think I sent you a photo. I was uh I was given old Eric RP there a walk for in Oregon.
[01:22] You sent me that. I saw the pictures of RP riding it. I was like, man, that is really cool. the lineage of that bike at this point.
[01:30] Yeah. So, it’s a bike I was riding there. I had trained on that quite a bit with Harry before the that nationally.
[01:37] He was supposed to go to that national with me, but he had to work.
[01:40] So, you rode it for six months. It was Harry’s. R took a spin on it and then you donated it with the plate. Is that
[01:48] correct? You donated to the Hall of Fame?
[01:50] Yes, it was donated to the Hall of Fame with the RC1 plate.
[01:54] Wow. We also donated I think I had one of his bobbleheads that I had made.
[01:59] I wanted to ask you about that. I want to see it. Yeah, I know that case is around here somewhere. I’m sure in the cases there’s a bobblehead
[02:07] miniature frame that Glinda donated his sister.
[02:10] Oh, I love that. So, you’ve worked with Gork essentially to make these donations, right?
[02:15] Yeah, I’ve known Gork a long time, but yeah, I worked with worked with him and made the donations down there. Took them down there. Actually, I took them. I
[02:24] didn’t do grants that year, the last year, but I took those bikes down there.
[02:29] Oh, wow. Essentially, you’ve had, for the lack of a better word, an easy process making donations to the National BMX Hall of Fame.
[02:38] Yeah. I mean, they’ll take just about anything. And, you know, you normally can donate it. You can also put them on loan to the museum, too, if it’s something you think you want back later.
[02:49] That the paint job on that bike is amazing. The American flag with the gold lettering.
[02:56] Yeah, it is. I got a duplicate being made right now. I should have it hopefully before I go to worlds. Oh, really?
[03:03] Yeah. Had that kind of duplicated so it’ll look just like that one.
[03:07] That is awesome. You see Ann loves it too, right? Yeah. Yeah.
[03:14] And then kind of speaking of Harry and Daylight, it’s kind of on that topic. I heard an interesting story about his
[03:22] 20-in daylight bike, too. I’m not sure if you’re okay with talking about that. Nothing to hide there.
[03:28] Okay. So, Harry had another daylight bike that was run over in a parking lot while you he was setting up for sprints.
[03:36] Yeah, it got run over by somebody supposedly. It could have been run over by him. I you know that’s still debatable, but we’ll do we’ll just go
[03:44] with what he told me. It was run over by some kids in the parking lot. Fair enough. Okay. Um I’ll take that.
[03:51] So then he got a replacement and his replacement started out as the daylight owner’s daughter’s personal bike which was loan to Harry.
[04:01] Yes, that was Daily Correct. Daylight owner’s personal frame. It wasn’t Hannah. It was I can’t remember her name now, but it was her bike. So, we put
[04:10] that together for him and he was getting ready to race again on that.
[04:15] I wasn’t sure how that worked out, but that’s kind of that’s kind of interesting. So, like he fell he loved those bikes. Yeah, he loved those bikes. All he’d ever say is those
[04:24] are the best handling bikes I ever rode, you know? And he’s like, “What better testament do you need than that, you know?” Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. There’s no better testament than that, I don’t think.
[04:34] Yeah. We We trained our asses off and he was on that bike. It had mushrooms on it. I don’t know if I saw that on there.
[04:43] Yeah, it had magic mushrooms. I used to give him a hard time about all the time.
[04:46] Like, damn. Bikes got freaking drugs on it. Mushrooms.
[04:49] Funny considering I I know there’s a a prominent Say no to drugs signature campaign that he was a part of at Point.
[04:58] So, that’s funny. So yeah, he put that together and we were we were training up to the time he last time I saw him.
[05:08] And that’s I guess that’s one question.
[05:09] You were running a clinic with him the day before he passed.
[05:14] No, actually it was a practice night at Black Mountain. So it was a Wednesday night. Okay.
[05:19] And we were just doing our usual practice. We practiced till pretty much time from the close. and uh you know he
[05:28] he seemed fine and everything else and he was off. I know he was off the next two days and it was basically the last time I saw him. He would text me every
[05:36] morning so it was kind of weird. Next morning he didn’t text me. Yeah.
[05:39] And uh so I I texted him several times throughout the day and called him and I couldn’t get a hold of him, you know,
[05:46] for a couple days. I texted him and told him I was going to come over to his apartment and kick his ass.
[05:52] Yeah. No, I got He didn’t answer obviously. Linda called me. His sister called me and his mother
[05:59] uh Saturday I think it was and started kind of questioning me. They didn’t know who I was.
[06:05] Oh, that’s a funny part about Harry. He I didn’t know anything about his prior
[06:13] life or other than what I knew from magazines and stuff like that. I I knew nothing. I didn’t know who his sister was. I didn’t know he had a daughter. I didn’t know he had a son.
[06:23] Oh, didn’t share any of that [ __ ] with me.
[06:25] But, uh, that was kind of his, I think, his safe zone, his sounding board.
[06:31] He knew he could tell me anything and I’d listen and I kind of deflect and try to put things in a little perspective to make him think about what he tells me
[06:39] sometimes. But yeah, I mean there’s, you know, the way they found him, we suspect, you know, we’ve done a couple
[06:47] things with this sister, a bunch of stuff with his sister and Eddie King and everything else. He He’s had a lot of concussions. He had a lot of concussions over the years.
[06:56] Yeah.
[06:56] And we really seriously believe he had CTE. Yeah.
[07:02] He was a little off at times. you know, he would he about ran everybody off. It seemed like, you know, the more I knew started to know these people after the
[07:09] fact, the more I saw the damage that he induced upon himself, alienating himself from people that he loved. It was kind
[07:16] of sad in a way, but and a lot of the people just wanted nothing to do with him again after that. Some of them stuck with him even though he was a not nice
[07:24] to him at times, you know, they sure Eddie King was one of them.
[07:29] Yeah. And obviously a sister, you know, I guess she had quit talking to him by the time I started training with him.
[07:36] I’ve put myself in Harry’s shoes quite often as you’re aware on certain things.
[07:41] And I’m talking I’m like, man, he’s I’m looking in a mirror right now.
[07:44] It is, you know, it’s just it’s he’s not the first person that I’ve encountered with issues like that and not necessarily from CTE injuries.
[07:53] Sure. But uh the bottom line is he went he loved to drive his car and he went driving and they found him on some road
[08:01] out about 60 miles outside of Phoenix in his car on Saturday. Basically died of heat stroke while sitting in his car there.
[08:10] Okay. So that there was a 4day difference essentially that you were looking for.
[08:15] I think he probably passed Thursday or Wednesday night or Thursday morning.
[08:21] Okay. Truly, but you know, they found him Saturday, so that was the date they put on the death certificate. But he would have answered my text if he was able to.
[08:30] Sure. So then I guess that brings the question of it’s my understanding that he had one of his bikes, that a daylight owner’s daughter bike.
[08:41] Yeah. And that was stolen from the car. Correct. That was stolen out of his car. Yeah.
[08:46] As I sit there, he was in the car in his seat. Seat belt still on. seat was back and he had his wallet still in his pocket with $600 in.
[08:58] Oh, and his phone was still there.
[09:02] Yeah. And they they stole the bike out of the back of that car.
[09:06] It took us a good probably 6 months to get that thing back. We knew where it was at. We couldn’t, you know, there was some jurisdiction issues with the police
[09:14] since it was in a different jurisdiction and blah blah. It just it became a complicated mess and we finally got it back. Rob Porter helped me do that
[09:21] because the guy that had it was lived out near where his living. So Oh, okay. That’s how he got involved. I know that there was there was a couple
[09:29] of attempts to purchase it and the guy bounced and Yeah, I tried to purchase it once and I think Rob tried to get it purchased one
[09:37] time and finally got him to meet him somewhere and they did recover the bike. So they did they recover the bike. So, we got that back that went back to to
[09:45] daylight and actually Richard’s daughter was riding it in Bakersfield when I was there.
[09:51] Oh, months ago. Yeah. So, they Wow, that’s they repurposed it back in her hands again. Of course, I never hell about the mushrooms on it.
[10:01] Well, do you suspect that maybe uh I don’t I don’t know why people would have mushrooms on their things. They had to eat them or they
[10:09] I don’t know. It was an enchanted forest theme or something is what she is what she told me.
[10:16] All right, fair enough.
[10:21] Uh, by the way, that bike that supposedly got ran over, what happened to that frame?
[10:29] What happened to it? Yeah.
[10:30] You mean like it got ran over? Got bent? No, no, no. But did it get thrown out or did it like No, it’s sitting in my garage. How’s that?
[10:40] Thinking that was the uh green one you sent me. It is.
[10:43] Oh, that’s a I was supposed to throw it away.
[10:50] Oh. Oh. Oh, you know what’s funny? I saw Daylight posted an ad about fixing one of their bikes and I kind of was like, h
[10:59] just to toy with them. But I took pictures of it and sent it to him and there Richard was like, no, that’s not fixable.
[11:08] and throw it away. I go, “Okay.” All right. I love it.
[11:12] But I could I couldn’t quite throw it away, you know? So, no. It’s in your hands now.
[11:17] I love it. I appreciate it. I love it. I absolutely love it.
[11:21] You wrote or you started writing or are still writing for Daylight now?
[11:27] Yes. They brought me on after obviously Harry passed and they knew who I was. I, you know, I’d hang out with Harry a little bit at their pit and stuff. They
[11:34] knew who I was. So, I guess they felt bad for me, you know. I guess that’s one question I had because I I think if I remember correctly, you posted a welcome
[11:42] aboard message where you mentioned Richard and Jason’s patience with you.
[11:48] Who are Richard and Jason and what was going on related to their patience with you, if you don’t mind me asking?
[11:54] I don’t know what that would have been about. Richard and J Richard’s the owner. Okay.
[11:59] Richard Hoover is the owner of Daylight and Jason Jason’s is Hannah which is one of his daughters.
[12:04] Oh, okay. but he runs the parts and stuff that come in. So, yeah, if I order something, I got to go through Jason.
[12:11] He’s kind of our contact. All right. Well, that’s kind of fun.
[12:15] I’m not sure what the patience was about, but uh Fair enough.
[12:19] Maybe because I was hang maybe because I was hanging out in their pit at the SoCal National the whole time.
[12:24] Ah, I remember being a hangar around quite often at many places. So, didn’t have anywhere else to go. So, they got to feel sorry for me. Poor guy.
[12:32] Look at him. But oh, hey, look at look at that. I think that’s Harry’s display case.
[12:41] Yeah, this Yeah, all all this looks to be Harry related. The miniature HLT frame and fork that Harry got while he was in Australia.
[12:50] Yeah. Wow. Look at that. That is cool.
[12:54] The guy that built that built one for his sister that I saw and full-on bike that we built miniature bike in black chrome.
[13:03] Wow. Wow. And it was just beautiful. Wow.
[13:05] Yeah. That was made by that guy. It’s It’s just incredible what he did. It was just little bitty welds on it. It’s just, you know, thing isn’t as big as your hand. Incredible.
[13:16] Yeah. It It’s amazing. It It absolutely is. And Harry kept that on his knife stand. Is that the That was Yeah. Harry had very little in
[13:25] his apartment. He had The only things he had that appeared to be of any value that he cared about was a frame. Wow.
[13:32] Little frame. miniature frame. And he had a picture that I gave him of us at the uh 2017 Worlds.
[13:40] I love that picture.
[13:41] Made a Yeah, I made a picture of that and he had that hanging on his wall.
[13:44] That was That was it. All he had on his freaking walls.
[13:47] No, it’s I fortunately or unfortunately can’t imagine being in the mind of Harry Liry and
[13:55] Yeah. And I’ve heard where he devalued a lot of his personal gains just because
[14:02] it was so prevalent. Got all this stuff and all his swag and they were told to give it away. And it really is her job to give it away to promote the brand.
[14:10] And they ended up keeping very little and holding very little to value. So he he didn’t hold a whole lot. He had a
[14:17] locker up in uh Lake Havsu, a storage locker that held all of his all the golden things he had and he wasn’t
[14:25] paying on it so they sold it to some guy up there.
[14:27] Yeah, we kind of know about anyway. So, yeah, it is what it is. He just didn’t have anything. I don’t know if he didn’t value any of that stuff.
[14:37] He gave me a couple jerseys over the years and of course I never asked him to sign anything cuz I figured he’d be around forever.
[14:43] Yeah, the sad part. But, uh, there was just nothing in there. Some clothes, very minimal. Yeah.
[14:49] What he had in there. And most of, you know, you see his stuff all over the place. They signed stuff on eBay. And I
[14:57] don’t know. Most of that probably came out of his locker. I’m guessing I think a good chunk of it has come out of his locker.
[15:03] Yeah. I’m just surprised he let that thing go. It’s like there was some That was his retirement, man. What the hell?
[15:10] No. When my dad passed away, we found three lockers and they were all filled
[15:17] with nothing but construction tools and pretty much romance novels. If like that’s that’s pretty much how my dad rolled. He had three of everything.
[15:27] That’s how I roll. I got three of everything. My wife’s like, “What the hell? You got three of these?” I go, “Yeah, in case one of them breaks.” Yeah. Exactly. And then you need a backup for that.
[15:37] Yeah. And in case I lose one.
[15:39] Exactly. I like him. Come on, give me a break. I don’t know, you know, during that period in time and the last thing
[15:46] he gave a [ __ ] excuse my French, [ __ ] about was his his locker full of stuff that he had up there.
[15:52] Yeah, it’s way deeper conversations, but I to a lesser extent uh one time was
[15:59] having an episode and I pretty much gave everything away.
[16:03] So, I understand. Um yeah, it it it happens. And yeah, you know, nobody was there and you know, and you wouldn’t listen to anybody
[16:11] anyway, but nobody was there to tell them otherwise. Yep.
[16:14] You know, Yeah. I I wasn’t there to tell him, “You sure you want to do that?” Yeah. It’s You know, would I do that? No, I
[16:23] wouldn’t do that. Are you sure you want to do that? You sure? Are you sure? Are you thinking about that?
[16:29] Once again, your true words has already saved me many times. So, I now have you
[16:36] as that little angel on my left shoulder. What would Greg say?
[16:41] What would Greg do? That’s what they do at work all the time. What would Greg say? What would Greg do if I’m not there? That’s exactly right.
[16:49] Love it. Yeah. And Yeah. What?
[16:56] She is uh chewing on some tortilla right now. So, ah yeah, using food as the distractor.
[17:03] Get out here sometime. We’ll get you some Mexican food. You’re from You’re from California. You know what Mexican food is.
[17:09] Yeah. Well, you know what’s funny? Cuz California has different Mexican food in San Diego. So, I was in San Diego a decade. That’s totally different Mexican
[17:16] food than Northern California. So, yeah. Uh, it’s different, but yeah.
[17:21] Oh, hey, check it out. They have these turbo cranks in a bag. Yeah, I donated those. I found those.
[17:29] Some guy was selling them on Facebook Marketplace in an SDI hotel. I had to go to or apartment complex, I guess, wasn’t the hotel.
[17:36] Oh, no way. Where was that?
[17:38] It was in Phoenix. Oh, okay.
[17:40] I went and looked at those and I picked those up and when I started looking at them further, they were two different sizes. Really?
[17:47] Yeah. One was a 175 and the other is 180. And I remember Harry telling me one time that
[17:54] that he used to use two different size cranks because he had injured his leg. Wow. Okay. Wow.
[18:00] Injured his knee or something. I can’t remember exactly our ankle. But yeah, and he was running two different size cranks, a 175 and a 180.
[18:08] That is I thought that I thought I thought that’s kind of weird. Why would they have two different size cranks on here? Yeah. Wow.
[18:15] So those could be his. I mean, it’s very possible those are his cranks. probably came out of his damn locker or darn locker.
[18:20] Probably. I mean, that’s kind of a unique fingerprint, I would say.
[18:26] Yeah. So, I don’t know for sure where they came from, but very possible those are his, so we donated them.
[18:31] All right. Well, it’s it’s cool either way. And you have one of the Harry Ly bobbleheads. I see.
[18:37] Yeah, we put one of his bobbleheads in there. It came down to the bike. It wanted to come, so we brought it down with him. Oh, that’s And it got put in the case there, as you
[18:45] can see. So, is that I saw a while back I think there was a jib jab of your bobblehead and Harry’s bobblehead.
[18:56] Is that the the world famous bobblehead from the jib jab?
[19:03] Now, the bobblehead was something different. The jib jab videos, they just get pictures of the faces and I put them in there. But, uh Oh, my bad.
[19:10] The bobbleheads are those are they may have been the same picture. Hard to say that I used on this made, but yeah,
[19:18] they’re just funny. People like them, you know.
[19:21] I love it. Yeah. Oh, and I see that he’s wearing a fall risk racing kit. That was the last sponsor he had there.
[19:28] You have involvement with them, right? Yeah, I own the fall risk racing kit. You own them? Okay. I started in 80.
[19:36] I take that back. Not 80. I started in 2015 or so.
[19:41] Okay. sold it about a I don’t know a year and a half ago probably now to a guy in Pennsylvania. Oh, interesting.
[19:48] I just didn’t have time to deal with it anymore. It was getting too many orders and Sure.
[19:55] Sounds like a sad story, doesn’t it?
[19:58] It was just too busy, so I sold it. But that’s true. I just didn’t have time to do what I needed to do to maintain it or grow it or anything. So, I just decided
[20:06] I better sell it off and concentrate on my other business.
[20:10] Yeah. No, I completely completely understand that they’re still operating. Yeah. Awesome.
[20:17] Yeah. I’m sure if you went down to a track there, you’d probably see them.
[20:19] Well, I’ll have to go look. We don’t have many around. It’s a hall for us.
[20:22] But yeah.
[20:24] Yeah. It’s funny cuz people are always like, “Well, Lisa has a BMX track.” Like, you know, Lis used to have a BMX track.
[20:31] There is a difference.
[20:32] Hey, that’s the donation I made. The 86 Porsche Design Fall National. I actually bought one of those eBay things and I
[20:40] was one of those eBayers. But when I was researching it, I found a picture of Harry holding the plaque and Yeah.
[20:47] Yeah. And that black and white and I realized, you know, this this one’s a little bit bigger than myself, right?
[20:55] And so with your donation prompted like, hey, how was it going with Gork? And he’s like, just reach out, man. And I
[21:03] did. The process was great. I reached out to Gork. Uh, let him know what, hey, I have this. He sent pictures back to me
[21:11] letting me know what I had. And it was a no-brainer. I had to make sure it got back into the hands of the National BMX Hall of Fame.
[21:20] Yeah. I mean, there’s not a lot there. I know. And I talked to Gork when I took that bike down to donate it. I talked to Gork for a while, but he told me that
[21:27] they had a diamond back that somebody in Australia gave him a whole bike, a full-size bike that he donated to the put on loan to the museum and then he took it back out and sold it.
[21:38] Oh.
[21:40] So, they didn’t have anything ah in there with his bike wise. So, I went ahead and donated that daylight even though it isn’t a diamond back and it isn’t old school. It was his. though.
[21:52] Yeah.
[21:52] So, I mean, he I don’t know. It just I guess he needed money. I don’t know.
[21:59] Hey, we all get in situations in life, right? Yeah. Life happens.
[22:03] It does. They tried to beg him to keep it there, but what are you going to do?
[22:07] I don’t know. I think it felt good to help honor his memory and my donation. I think you probably feel the same way.
[22:14] So, and that’s going to bring, for lack of a better way to say this, happiness to people that see that in the museum and see those things in the museum.
[22:23] You think about it, he was probably one of the most influential people. I mean, he’s been racing 50 freaking years. Exactly.
[22:31] Funny story is he was over when he first started training. He used to come over to my business and he’d train after everybody left, do some training out there, sprints and stuff. Nice.
[22:40] But my wife was there one time. She works for me and she doesn’t know who he is. She had no idea even though she grew up with me when I was racing back when I was a teenager and actually raced him.
[22:50] But she started asking him questions.
[22:51] She’s like, “Well, how long you been doing this?” He goes, “Oh, 55 years.”
[22:58] And she’s just like, “Oh.” I I could just see she happened to see a
[23:06] magazine I had that had that one JMC picture of him, you know, the famous one. She goes, “Is that him?” I go, “Yeah, it’s him.” Like 1979.
[23:14] Yeah. Wow.
[23:19] Yeah. I said, “Yeah, he’s Yeah. Younger people nowadays don’t really know who he is, but he was he was it.” Yeah.
[23:26] Back then, he still was it. He was He was awesome.
[23:30] He never went away. I mean, I know I don’t know who else has a track record, but my understanding is he never missed a season of racing. I’ll caveat
[23:38] that with in seasons where he was quote unquote retired, he still raced at least two races per season. Yeah.
[23:46] Yeah. He always raced. He always trained. Yeah.
[23:49] It never stopped. He was an animal. He was just, you know, just absolute animal. It’s like, god damn, man. You’re going to kill us.
[23:58] To this day, he just he just kept going. He was an animal. Wow.
[24:01] You know, he still was relevant. He he was one fast sucker, man. He’s gonna always remain relevant. That’s say what you want to say.
[24:10] Yeah. He’d train with me and he I would think he wasn’t watching because somebody was talking to him.
[24:14] Uhhuh. And I come around the track and he’d look at me and go, “God damn it.
[24:19] You’re not doing that right. You’re not.” You know, I said, “Oh, I didn’t know you were watching.” Yeah. He’s like, “I’m always watching.”
[24:28] I love it. And I was like, “Oh, okay.” And I’ve heard he had an eagle eye, man.
[24:35] And like Oh, he did.
[24:37] He can pick out like if you had something that you can improve upon with your your racing, he could find it for you.
[24:43] Yeah. And he’d tell me these things and I’d look at him and I’d go, “Show me.” Ah. Yeah. And he’d show me. Yeah. And I do it.
[24:51] Love it.
[24:52] That’s a problem I have nowadays with finding people to help me train is that, you know, they’re telling me to do something, but
[24:59] if they don’t know how to show me to do it.
[25:02] Yeah. you know, they can do it, but if you slow it down and try to show me how to do it, they can’t do it. So, it’s like, okay.
[25:11] Yeah. You know me, I’m an instructional designer.
[25:16] I’m like, well, no, Greg, we developed this great curriculum showing you how to do it, and our guy doesn’t necessarily need to do it be able to do it, but
[25:25] here’s how you do it. Like, yeah, here’s how you do it.
[25:28] Yeah. Oh, he was, but he was always helpful to everybody, even kids. He was never rude or anything to anybody.
[25:37] Yeah.
[25:38] Kids would come up and he’d he’d just tell them what to do, you know, oh, you need to do this and that, and he, you know, he just lived it. He lived it.
[25:45] That’s awesome. And one of my I love you mentioned kids because I found it to be a common factor where he’s done a lot of mentorship. Yeah.
[25:53] And there’s a lot of people that I’ve talked with that grew up with him, mentoring them. But one thing that was
[25:59] really cool is there was a Yeah. her.
[26:06] But there was this woman that reached out to me when I first started this journey and says, “Hey, Harry Larry was my daughter’s best friend.” And I was
[26:14] thinking, “Yeah, okay.” Like, “All right, cool.” Like, she’s like in her 40s or 50s, like
[26:21] whatever. And she sent a picture and she was like eight. I’m like, “Okay, you just melt in my heart.”
[26:28] Yeah, he was good about that. And I just just him. He had his demon inside as well. Yeah.
[26:35] Like I said, we probably would have had him tested for that CTE, but if we would have thought about it, but over the years, he had some pretty bad crashes.
[26:43] We pulled out some of his helmets that he had. They were just almost split in half, you know, Troy Lee helmets, expensive helmets. So, he
[26:50] he stuck his head into the ground a few times pretty hard.
[26:54] Well, not only that, it’s my understanding that he also had a lot of concussions as a kid, a lot of head injuries as a kid when he was riding without a helmet, etc., etc.
[27:04] We we didn’t ride with helmets when we were kids, you know. Yeah. Who wears a helmet, right?
[27:09] We used to ride in the track riding Chandler. They go out there for the races. They make us wear it for the races, but practice not so much.
[27:18] Yeah.
[27:18] You know, we’re out there practicing, no helmet on.
[27:20] Yeah. We primarily rode trail tracks and we never wore helmets. Dumb.
[27:26] Yeah. Nowadays, you wouldn’t get me out there without one on even.
[27:29] No. After I injured my shoulder, I was like, I’m wearing a helmet cuz my head could have been there real quickly.
[27:35] Yeah. Exactly. Doesn’t take much. When he was a kid, he was knocked out pretty good. His sister told me he was in the hospital for a few days from that. Brain
[27:43] bleed and stuff. So, I mean, he was no stranger to hitting his head on things. Yeah.
[27:48] Yeah. I mean, Harry was Harry. I loved him. He loved him like a brother. He coming over to the house for holidays and
[27:56] you know, he was always polite and nice to everyone here and it’s all I can judge him by.
[28:00] I love it. And I have to ask this question. Mhm. One word to describe Harry Larry.
[28:10] Well, that’s harder than one word. The genius. I love it.
[28:15] He was a genius. I told his sister that, too. I was like, he was a genius. I’m sorry to say, you know, he may never never been tested or never the stuff he
[28:24] sparks elsewhere, but then man was a genius, you know. He just the way it was, he was I agree because I’ve been listening to
[28:33] over the last year, I’ve listened to a lot of his podcasts and yeah, I’ve listened for a lot of business purpose.
[28:41] He ran track he ran tracks. He he did all kinds of things, you know. He worked for obviously Western Sports which is Diamond Back.
[28:49] Yeah. Multiple business owners, right?
[28:52] He the face of Diamond Back taught him the branding and and the marketing aspect of things and and his
[28:59] understanding of branding and marketing and sponsor loyalty. Mhm.
[29:06] From what I’ve seen is second to none.
[29:09] Yep. Yeah. It’s a fact. You got him on board. He was on board, man. Yeah. I’m passionate person.
[29:15] Passionate sometimes too passionate. I love it. Yeah, you know.
[29:23] Yeah. Well, hey, it’s been great seeing everything with you. I’ve got to get Ann down for a quick nap, but if you’re down for coffee a little later, I would love to pick your brain some more.
[29:33] Sure. Yeah. I’m going to go down to the track over here attached to this uh museum and see if I can ride around without killing myself.
[29:40] Awesome. Well, it’s a date and go have fun and I’ll send you a text. We’ll get coffee going. Okay. All right. Thanks, B.
[29:48] Thank you. Bye. Bye.