Fireside BMX Chat: Greg Hill Talks - Leaving BMX, Harry Leary, 85 Grands, and Garage Floors Audio

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🔥 **Fireside BMX Chat: Greg Hill Talks Garage Floors, BMX Legends & Epoxy Life** 🔥

Welcome to the premiere episode of **Fireside BMX Chat**, hosted by none other than **Kyle A. Huffman of Lititz BMX**—and yes, his adorable 18-month-old daughter is along for the ride! 🍼💥

In this episode, BMX Hall of Famer and industry icon **Greg Hill** drops by Kyle’s house—not to hit a track, but to *bid on his garage floor*! Greg, now the proud Owner/Operator of **Epoxy Surface Professionals** (serving the Los Angeles region), shares some seriously smooth insights—both about **epoxy flooring** and his **legendary BMX past**.

We cover it all:
✅ Greg’s flooring process, pricing, warranties & what *real epoxy* actually is
📸 Why Greg takes so many photos of garages he works on
📞 How to hire Greg (yes, we’ve got the contact info!)
🧰 Does Greg work solo or have a crew?

And then... things take a nostalgic turn. 👀

🏁 Greg opens up about old-school BMX memories:

* His friendship (and rivalry?) with **Harry Leary**
* Did he *owe* Harry a trip into the wall?
* Food fights on the freeway 🍔🚗💥
* The *Little Rascals*-style club he may or may not have run with his wife
* What he *really* thinks about being the inspiration behind **“The Leary” jump** 😲
* Practicing gates with **Stu Thomsen**, **Clint Miller**, and **Harry** in his own driveway
* 1985 Grands, **Pete Loncarevich**, and what came *after* the end of GHP
* And most importantly… **Is Greg Hill happy today?**

This episode is packed with BMX gold and garage goals. Whether you're into **race stories**, **garage upgrades**, or just want to hear two generations of Huffmans (and a legend) hang out—this one’s for you.

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Hey, Greg. Thanks for coming down to talk epoxy options for our garage floor.
talk epoxy options for our garage floor. Hey, no problem, man. Nice to meet you.
Hey, no problem, man. Nice to meet you. I got my daughter with me.
I got my daughter with me. What's her name, if you don't mind?
What's her name, if you don't mind? her name is Anne Marie and she is 18
her name is Anne Marie and she is 18 months. She'll be 19 months here soon.
months. She'll be 19 months here soon. Awesome. Nice.
Awesome. Nice. Yeah. So, we're actually getting our
Yeah. So, we're actually getting our garage doors replaced next month and and
garage doors replaced next month and and they're going to be gray on the inside
they're going to be gray on the inside and I'm looking for something to
and I'm looking for something to complement that. I was wondering
complement that. I was wondering hopefully you could take a look around
hopefully you could take a look around and get some ideas from you.
and get some ideas from you. Yeah, that's no problem, man. Yeah,
Yeah, that's no problem, man. Yeah, there's there's a few different colors.
there's there's a few different colors. I mean, off the top of my head, there's
I mean, off the top of my head, there's a color tuxedo, which is good. It's got
a color tuxedo, which is good. It's got gray, black and white. Pretty much goes
gray, black and white. Pretty much goes with everything.
with everything. Ooh, I like that.
Ooh, I like that. Yeah, it's a good color. You know, more
Yeah, it's a good color. You know, more importantly, the condition of the floor
importantly, the condition of the floor and prep work and any questions you have
and prep work and any questions you have which I can tell you all about it right
which I can tell you all about it right now, if you want.
now, if you want. All right, cool. Yeah, let's roll
All right, cool. Yeah, let's roll through your site. I you know, I know
through your site. I you know, I know you're a legend in the flooring
you're a legend in the flooring industry. So, I'm just kind of curious
industry. So, I'm just kind of curious to hear your recommendation.
to hear your recommendation. Well, I love your pictures on Facebook.
Well, I love your pictures on Facebook. Now, sometimes people ask me, "Hey, man,
Now, sometimes people ask me, "Hey, man, how come you always post?" And I'm like,
how come you always post?" And I'm like, "Well, I post my work." It's like I'm
"Well, I post my work." It's like I'm not just posting like I just went to I
not just posting like I just went to I just got a big fat burger and fries.
just got a big fat burger and fries. Check it out. Hey, I just got a big
Check it out. Hey, I just got a big burrito. Check it out." It's more like,
burrito. Check it out." It's more like, "This is what I do for a living for the
"This is what I do for a living for the last 8 years." And people see it. I've
last 8 years." And people see it. I've gotten jobs from it. It helps promote
gotten jobs from it. It helps promote what we're doing. But, I'm kind of a
what we're doing. But, I'm kind of a joke why I put it out there all the
joke why I put it out there all the time.
time. No, I think it's cool. It's kind of fun.
No, I think it's cool. It's kind of fun. It's given me some ideas as I've
It's given me some ideas as I've scrolled through. But, hey Greg, go
scrolled through. But, hey Greg, go ahead. Do your thing. I'll stay out of
ahead. Do your thing. I'll stay out of your hair. I don't know if you got to
your hair. I don't know if you got to take measurements or what, but I'll give
take measurements or what, but I'll give you a you know, just do your thing.
you a you know, just do your thing. It's appears to be a standard two-car
It's appears to be a standard two-car garage. Typically 400 square feet, give
garage. Typically 400 square feet, give or take. If you you know, typically what
or take. If you you know, typically what I do, I work alone. I'm an
I do, I work alone. I'm an owner-operator. I don't have employees.
owner-operator. I don't have employees. I do all the work myself. I used to try
I do all the work myself. I used to try to have employees. I went through about
to have employees. I went through about 10 people, but it's really extremely
10 people, but it's really extremely difficult to find anybody who wants to
difficult to find anybody who wants to work. And then if you do find someone
work. And then if you do find someone that wants to work, it's really hard to
that wants to work, it's really hard to get for them to keep up.
get for them to keep up. Yeah.
Yeah. They they won't work the same, you know?
They they won't work the same, you know? So, I do it myself. Typically grind the
So, I do it myself. Typically grind the floor with a walk-behind grinder. That's
floor with a walk-behind grinder. That's You want to grind the floor. You want to
You want to grind the floor. You want to You want to remove the about a business
You want to remove the about a business card thickness off the top of the floor.
card thickness off the top of the floor. Makes sense.
Makes sense. That way you open up the pores and the
That way you open up the pores and the the product can bond to it.
the product can bond to it. Okay.
Okay. Well, some of these guys will come in
Well, some of these guys will come in like like I'll do a typical two-car
like like I'll do a typical two-car garage for like two grand. That's like a
garage for like two grand. That's like a a normal price. And my competitors are
a normal price. And my competitors are doing it for between 2,400 and and
doing it for between 2,400 and and 3,000. And that's because, you know,
3,000. And that's because, you know, they have employees and they have a a
they have employees and they have a a warehouse and these kinds of things. I
warehouse and these kinds of things. I don't have any of that overhead. I I do
don't have any of that overhead. I I do it all myself and have pretty good size
it all myself and have pretty good size property that I keep everything on. So,
property that I keep everything on. So, you know, some of these
you know, some of these do-it-yourselfers will come in and want
do-it-yourselfers will come in and want to acid wash it and that's no good. That
to acid wash it and that's no good. That just traps the acid in the concrete.
just traps the acid in the concrete. Yeah.
Yeah. Starts eating away at it. And then they
Starts eating away at it. And then they want to use those cheap Home Depot
want to use those cheap Home Depot Rust-Oleum garage epoxy kits, which are
Rust-Oleum garage epoxy kits, which are basically junk.
basically junk. I've thought about it and I thought,
I've thought about it and I thought, let's reach out to a professional. So,
let's reach out to a professional. So, You grind the floor.
You grind the floor. Yeah.
Yeah. You patch the cracks. Some people are
You patch the cracks. Some people are like, there's there's no cracks. But,
like, there's there's no cracks. But, once you grind the floor, you're going
once you grind the floor, you're going to find some spider cracks here and
to find some spider cracks here and there. We patch them because it's a
there. We patch them because it's a roll-on and you got to patch those. So,
roll-on and you got to patch those. So, you patch that and then you put roll
you patch that and then you put roll out. Typically, what I do is I do the
out. Typically, what I do is I do the curbs, the stem walls, you know, where
curbs, the stem walls, you know, where the wall meets the floor.
the wall meets the floor. Yeah.
Yeah. Do those first. You don't really have to
Do those first. You don't really have to grind those usually because they're so
grind those usually because they're so porous. They're so already like they've
porous. They're so already like they've already got a good texture like what
already got a good texture like what you're grinding the floor for to get,
you're grinding the floor for to get, right?
right? Sure.
Sure. So, you clean them off and then I just
So, you clean them off and then I just coat them and flake them, vacuum
coat them and flake them, vacuum everything and then I roll the floor out
everything and then I roll the floor out and then I throw a flake. Yeah, 99% of
and then I throw a flake. Yeah, 99% of the floors are flake.
the floors are flake. Okay.
Okay. Every now and again some solid color.
Every now and again some solid color. So, my wife wanted me to ask, is there a
So, my wife wanted me to ask, is there a warranty that you offer with it?
warranty that you offer with it? Yeah, I offer like four-year warranty.
Yeah, I offer like four-year warranty. Okay, cool.
Okay, cool. Here's So, here's the deal. There's no
Here's So, here's the deal. There's no such thing as a lifetime warranty
such thing as a lifetime warranty because if that's a joke, okay? They're
because if that's a joke, okay? They're like You're going to call somebody in
like You're going to call somebody in eight years and say, blah blah blah.
eight years and say, blah blah blah. They're going to be like, "Oh, you know
They're going to be like, "Oh, you know what? Um I don't recall or blah blah
what? Um I don't recall or blah blah blah or, you know, there's fine print.
blah or, you know, there's fine print. Yeah.
Yeah. The warranties are always about two
The warranties are always about two things. It's about defective material
things. It's about defective material and poor workmanship. So, if the job
and poor workmanship. So, if the job looks good when the guy leaves and the
looks good when the guy leaves and the next day it's dry,
next day it's dry, you don't have a warranty.
you don't have a warranty. That's bottom line.
That's bottom line. Hm.
Hm. It sounds sounds lame, but that's how it
It sounds sounds lame, but that's how it is.
is. I understand.
I understand. I go by the typical, "Hey, I'm going to
I go by the typical, "Hey, I'm going to give a 4-year warranty quickly if
give a 4-year warranty quickly if there's any issues,
there's any issues, you know, bubbling or delaminating or
you know, bubbling or delaminating or anything." That usually happen inside of
anything." That usually happen inside of 2 years.
2 years. So, I double it. All right.
So, I double it. All right. Yeah.
Yeah. But my
But my My thought process is this. You stay in
My thought process is this. You stay in business through referral
business through referral Yep.
Yep. and doing good work.
and doing good work. So, if someone has a problem with
So, if someone has a problem with something I did, I'm going to go fix it.
something I did, I'm going to go fix it. And I don't care if it's been, you know,
And I don't care if it's been, you know, 7 years because they're going to talk
7 years because they're going to talk good and I'm going to get jobs from
good and I'm going to get jobs from them. That's basically how it works.
them. That's basically how it works. Yeah, and that's one question I want to
Yeah, and that's one question I want to ask you cuz I got I got a buddy with a
ask you cuz I got I got a buddy with a garage and we're kind of talking about
garage and we're kind of talking about it, too, and he's looking for someone.
it, too, and he's looking for someone. So, if he wanted to get a hold of you,
So, if he wanted to get a hold of you, would I just tell him to hit you up on
would I just tell him to hit you up on Facebook or is there a better way?
Facebook or is there a better way? Yeah, you can just My phone number is
Yeah, you can just My phone number is fine.
fine. Okay, cool.
Okay, cool. this is my business phone, my cell
this is my business phone, my cell phone, so
phone, so Okay, awesome.
Okay, awesome. You know, people are like, "Well, don't
You know, people are like, "Well, don't you get What if somebody calls and bugs
you get What if somebody calls and bugs you?" If someone calls and bugs me, and
you?" If someone calls and bugs me, and then I'll just block their number,
then I'll just block their number, they'll never call me again.
they'll never call me again. Love it. Makes total sense. Makes total
Love it. Makes total sense. Makes total sense. Hey, I I know you're out here for
sense. Hey, I I know you're out here for garages, right? I had to talk to my
garages, right? I had to talk to my floor, but do you mind if I just ask you
floor, but do you mind if I just ask you a couple questions while you keep
a couple questions while you keep looking around a little bit? Like uh
looking around a little bit? Like uh I'm good.
I'm good. Cool. So, I I know you've been out of
Cool. So, I I know you've been out of the game a little while, but I'm hoping
the game a little while, but I'm hoping you have a little interest on this
you have a little interest on this project I'm working on. It's actually a
project I'm working on. It's actually a Dirt Works bike made by a Livermore boss
Dirt Works bike made by a Livermore boss for Harry Leary. You were friends with
for Harry Leary. You were friends with Harry, right?
Harry, right? Yeah, I was friends with Harry since I
Yeah, I was friends with Harry since I mean, I've known the guy since I was
mean, I've known the guy since I was about 11 years old. Friends with him
about 11 years old. Friends with him from the time I was probably
from the time I was probably 15, 16 all the way Towards the end, the
15, 16 all the way Towards the end, the last 7, 8 years I haven't really been in
last 7, 8 years I haven't really been in touch. 5, or years I haven't been in
touch. 5, or years I haven't been in touch a whole lot.
touch a whole lot. Sure.
Sure. But
But yeah, I've known him a long time.
yeah, I've known him a long time. We had a lot of racing together and
We had a lot of racing together and stuff, so.
stuff, so. I see I I've heard that and I've just
I see I I've heard that and I've just always wondered how you guys met. Was it
always wondered how you guys met. Was it at WSA?
at WSA? Yeah. When I started I went to WSA and
Yeah. When I started I went to WSA and he raced. It was 14 and over at the
he raced. It was 14 and over at the time. It wasn't 14, 15, 16. So it was
time. It wasn't 14, 15, 16. So it was just 14 and over. He was riding for GMC.
just 14 and over. He was riding for GMC. So I I didn't meet him at WSA, but I
So I I didn't meet him at WSA, but I watched him a lot there. And then later
watched him a lot there. And then later we met.
we met. I don't exactly remember, but you line
I don't exactly remember, but you line up with someone, you start racing them
up with someone, you start racing them and then you
and then you have a few conversations. Probably when
have a few conversations. Probably when I was about 15 I got to know him and
I was about 15 I got to know him and Yeah.
Yeah. And uh you know.
And uh you know. And he used to come over your house to
And he used to come over your house to do gates, right?
do gates, right? Yeah, he used to come when I lived at
Yeah, he used to come when I lived at home. He would come over him and Clint
home. He would come over him and Clint Miller and Stewart would come over and
Miller and Stewart would come over and do gates two, three times a week. And my
do gates two, three times a week. And my dad would drop gates or we would take
dad would drop gates or we would take turns dropping gates. We basically just
turns dropping gates. We basically just go out the driveway, hang a left around
go out the driveway, hang a left around the mailbox, turn around the neighbor's
the mailbox, turn around the neighbor's driveway and you know, the little apron
driveway and you know, the little apron of the driveway. Ride the sidewalk back
of the driveway. Ride the sidewalk back in.
in. Nice. Yeah, cuz I was going to ask you
Nice. Yeah, cuz I was going to ask you who was there. So you're saying Clint
who was there. So you're saying Clint Miller, that's pretty cool.
Miller, that's pretty cool. Yeah, Clint Miller was here. He was here
Yeah, Clint Miller was here. He was here a lot. He was He was a good dude. He's a
a lot. He was He was a good dude. He's a good dude. Very cool dude. Good friend
good dude. Very cool dude. Good friend of mine.
of mine. So I've got to ask,
So I've got to ask, did your wife ever come over to practice
did your wife ever come over to practice gates? Or were like after losing were
gates? Or were like after losing were you in that like little rascal he-man
you in that like little rascal he-man woman haters stance at the time?
woman haters stance at the time? Um we were 10 years old.
Um we were 10 years old. Okay.
Okay. Well before
Well before teenage years, you know? I mean you
teenage years, you know? I mean you know, 13 it's not the same as when
know, 13 it's not the same as when you're 16, 17, so.
you're 16, 17, so. Yeah.
Yeah. But this is when we were younger, you
But this is when we were younger, you know?
know? Okay.
Okay. So it's like who all would be there?
So it's like who all would be there? Trying to imagine that.
Trying to imagine that. That was it. Just that. My mom would be
That was it. Just that. My mom would be inside and my dad would be at work. And
inside and my dad would be at work. And sometimes he'd get home while we're
sometimes he'd get home while we're doing it.
doing it. No, that's that's really cool.
No, that's that's really cool. It wasn't the kind of thing that we were
It wasn't the kind of thing that we were like wanting to have 20 people out, you
like wanting to have 20 people out, you know? If there was a three-man gate and
know? If there was a three-man gate and there was four of us, then you you
there was four of us, then you you rotated three or four gates and you run
rotated three or four gates and you run the gate three or four times. You just
the gate three or four times. You just keep rotating, so everybody can get time
keep rotating, so everybody can get time in, you know.
in, you know. That's the way to do it.
That's the way to do it. Now, I remember
Now, I remember hearing a story or seeing Actually, I
hearing a story or seeing Actually, I don't think I ever saw a picture of the
don't think I ever saw a picture of the bike, but just doing crazy bike stuff,
bike, but just doing crazy bike stuff, but Harry once took a a bike, turned it
but Harry once took a a bike, turned it upside down, and welded two 25 plates to
upside down, and welded two 25 plates to it for the GPV of that. You Did you ever
it for the GPV of that. You Did you ever get into that or the F1 stuff?
get into that or the F1 stuff? No, I never did that stuff. I didn't do
No, I never did that stuff. I didn't do that during that time I was hardcore
that during that time I was hardcore racing.
racing. Yeah.
Yeah. I was racing for titles during that
I was racing for titles during that time, and I just
time, and I just That's all, you know, you can't really
That's all, you know, you can't really can't do two things or you're not going
can't do two things or you're not going to win a title, basically. You have to
to win a title, basically. You have to be all in. So, I never did that.
be all in. So, I never did that. Makes sense. I've heard that you're the
Makes sense. I've heard that you're the reason that the Leary was created, the
reason that the Leary was created, the jump. And that he was trying to tag your
jump. And that he was trying to tag your helmet and just got further and further
helmet and just got further and further away. Did he ever hit you?
away. Did he ever hit you? I don't recall that. I don't If he told
I don't recall that. I don't If he told that story, then did he Is he the one
that story, then did he Is he the one that said that?
that said that? I saw that in a podcast. I heard it in a
I saw that in a podcast. I heard it in a podcast.
podcast. might have been the deal. It could have
might have been the deal. It could have been a WSA on they had a pretty good
been a WSA on they had a pretty good size jump.
size jump. Fair enough.
Fair enough. A big roller on the back straight for
A big roller on the back straight for the last turn, and
the last turn, and think he said he used to like to sit on
think he said he used to like to sit on a tabletop, if I remember specific.
a tabletop, if I remember specific. Yeah, it could have been a little table
Yeah, it could have been a little table or a roll I don't know, it was a pretty
or a roll I don't know, it was a pretty good In that day, it was a good jump on
good In that day, it was a good jump on the track.
the track. That might have been true. I don't know,
That might have been true. I don't know, you know, it was so long ago, and you
you know, it was so long ago, and you know, he might have never even told me
know, he might have never even told me that. We've been We were friends a long
that. We've been We were friends a long time, and I never He never told me that,
time, and I never He never told me that, so.
so. Huh, okay.
Huh, okay. I mean, if that's the deal, that's cool.
I mean, if that's the deal, that's cool. Yeah, it is That's pretty cool, cuz I
Yeah, it is That's pretty cool, cuz I was going to I was going to say, well,
was going to I was going to say, well, was he boasting about that? Like, or
was he boasting about that? Like, or maybe you can answer that. When he
maybe you can answer that. When he finally got a named jump, was he just
finally got a named jump, was he just going around boasting about that like
going around boasting about that like crazy?
crazy? No.
No. No.
No. heard him heard him talk about it, ever.
heard him heard him talk about it, ever. No. It's actually really cool to hear.
No. It's actually really cool to hear. Yeah.
Yeah. Oh, another quick question I asked about
Oh, another quick question I asked about the floors, the temperature and humidity
the floors, the temperature and humidity issues. Is there anything to worry about
issues. Is there anything to worry about that with your floors?
that with your floors? Uh in terms of the install or just the
Uh in terms of the install or just the No. Like, uh we live in a humid area, so
No. Like, uh we live in a humid area, so is that going to to an issue? Like, will
is that going to to an issue? Like, will it cause that to lift more so than in a
it cause that to lift more so than in a dry area?
dry area? Once it's cured out, it won't matter
Once it's cured out, it won't matter what the weather is. You know what I
what the weather is. You know what I mean?
mean? Okay, yeah.
Okay, yeah. During the process, the weather you
During the process, the weather you always have to be concerned of the
always have to be concerned of the weather.
weather. Yeah.
Yeah. I don't use epoxy.
I don't use epoxy. Okay.
Okay. I use what's called polyaspartic.
I use what's called polyaspartic. Oh, okay.
Oh, okay. Most people never heard of it. So,
Most people never heard of it. So, you know, if I was polyaspartic surface
you know, if I was polyaspartic surface professionals, I probably would be out
professionals, I probably would be out of business, you know?
of business, you know? Yeah.
Yeah. People don't know what it is. But, it's
People don't know what it is. But, it's a better product. It performs better. It
a better product. It performs better. It When you get below 50°, epoxy almost
When you get below 50°, epoxy almost stops curing. You know, it's just kind
stops curing. You know, it's just kind of like it takes 50° or hotter.
of like it takes 50° or hotter. Oh. Okay.
Oh. Okay. Yeah.
Yeah. Okay.
Okay. When you're doing polyaspartic, you
When you're doing polyaspartic, you don't have such limitations. It cures
don't have such limitations. It cures quicker. If it is massively humid, if
quicker. If it is massively humid, if it's like 80% humid out, you don't want
it's like 80% humid out, you don't want to pour it because it won't perform
to pour it because it won't perform properly. It'll cloud up a little bit.
properly. It'll cloud up a little bit. It's not a problem, but
It's not a problem, but That makes sense.
That makes sense. For the most part, I uh yeah, it's a
For the most part, I uh yeah, it's a good product and 40° out or 100° out, I
good product and 40° out or 100° out, I can I can work with that material. It's
can I can work with that material. It's not a problem.
not a problem. Perfect. That works. One word to
Perfect. That works. One word to describe Harry Leary as a friend.
describe Harry Leary as a friend. Uh he's just intense.
Uh he's just intense. Love it.
Love it. Even if doing practical jokes, he's
Even if doing practical jokes, he's pretty intense.
pretty intense. Jokes?
Jokes? For sure.
For sure. Is there a favorite joke, prank that he
Is there a favorite joke, prank that he pulled that uh you don't mind sharing?
pulled that uh you don't mind sharing? I don't think it was more like pranks.
I don't think it was more like pranks. It was more like
It was more like mutual stuff that you do. Just guys
mutual stuff that you do. Just guys doing stuff. I mean, we would be on
doing stuff. I mean, we would be on tour.
tour. One time I remember our vehicle going
One time I remember our vehicle going down
down Interstate 40 and Diamondback was coming
Interstate 40 and Diamondback was coming up. Harry was driving and then just like
up. Harry was driving and then just like a food fight on the highway where you're
a food fight on the highway where you're just throwing bananas and
just throwing bananas and all kinds of crap on their windshield
all kinds of crap on their windshield and on the side of their van and
and on the side of their van and they're trying to throw it on you. Um
they're trying to throw it on you. Um I love it. Pam loves it, too, Greg.
I love it. Pam loves it, too, Greg. You know, that kind of
You know, that kind of That's kind of stupid stuff, but
That's kind of stupid stuff, but Okay. That's That's awesome. I love it.
Okay. That's That's awesome. I love it. And then
And then with regards to BMX legend, Harry as a
with regards to BMX legend, Harry as a BMX legend, do you have a word that
BMX legend, do you have a word that could describe him?
could describe him? I just kind of fall back to the whole
I just kind of fall back to the whole intense deal cuz, you know, he likes to
intense deal cuz, you know, he likes to He has to He has to hate his
He has to He has to hate his competition. He has to get all fired up,
competition. He has to get all fired up, you know?
you know? Yeah.
Yeah. And I just I feel like hate's a kind of
And I just I feel like hate's a kind of strong word, so I just think it's
strong word, so I just think it's intense. He's just a super intense man.
intense. He's just a super intense man. Okay, that makes sense, and I've heard
Okay, that makes sense, and I've heard similar stories from his own mouth. And
similar stories from his own mouth. And I guess that kind of leads the question
I guess that kind of leads the question is, did he owe you a last trip into a
is, did he owe you a last trip into a wall, or did you owe him a last trip
wall, or did you owe him a last trip into a wall?
into a wall? Um I never, to be honest
Um I never, to be honest Yeah.
Yeah. I never really had any issue with Harry.
I never really had any issue with Harry. Um
Um I was thinking in fun.
I was thinking in fun. We were
We were We were
We were I don't know how to say this without I
I don't know how to say this without I don't want it to sound stupid or like
don't want it to sound stupid or like whatever, but you
You get into a situation where you're racing, and then really the only way
racing, and then really the only way you're going to have a beef with someone
you're going to have a beef with someone is if you're both on the same part of
is if you're both on the same part of the track trying to occupy the same
the track trying to occupy the same space
space at the same time, and someone does
at the same time, and someone does something shitty.
something shitty. Yeah.
Yeah. I've had situations like that with
I've had situations like that with people that have run me off the track,
people that have run me off the track, and I've had situations like that where
and I've had situations like that where they'll have been respectful. And so, I
they'll have been respectful. And so, I never had any drama with Harry, so I
never had any drama with Harry, so I can't really
can't really you know,
you know, I can't really say I owe him one, you
I can't really say I owe him one, you know what I mean? Like
know what I mean? Like Fair enough. No.
Fair enough. No. Like I'll give you an example. Pete
Like I'll give you an example. Pete Loncarevich kicks my tire at the '85 NBL
Loncarevich kicks my tire at the '85 NBL Grands
Grands in the semi, and I crash. Two months
in the semi, and I crash. Two months later at the end at the ABA Grands, I
later at the end at the ABA Grands, I ran him off the track in his semi I mean
ran him off the track in his semi I mean in the third main, and if I didn't do
in the third main, and if I didn't do that, he would have won the number one
that, he would have won the number one plate. As it was, Ronnie Anderson won,
plate. As it was, Ronnie Anderson won, so it's like
so it's like Uh
Uh yeah.
yeah. You know, you get even with people for
You know, you get even with people for what they do, but none of the people
what they do, but none of the people that I'm close with, Stu, Clint, Harry,
that I'm close with, Stu, Clint, Harry, Rueben, any of these dudes, they never
Rueben, any of these dudes, they never kicked my front wheel going into a turn,
kicked my front wheel going into a turn, you know?
you know? Sure.
Sure. I don't know. I never did When I got out
I don't know. I never did When I got out on the track myself, I just focused on
on the track myself, I just focused on what I was doing, and if if someone was
what I was doing, and if if someone was ahead of me, they were more or less just
ahead of me, they were more or less just in my way is how I looked at it. So, it
in my way is how I looked at it. So, it wasn't a personal thing.
wasn't a personal thing. I never had any beef with Harry at all,
I never had any beef with Harry at all, really. So.
really. So. kind of what I've heard. It's really
kind of what I've heard. It's really cool to hear your side of things here.
cool to hear your side of things here. So, I appreciate that.
So, I appreciate that. No worries, man.
No worries, man. And so, you switched from BMX to to
And so, you switched from BMX to to doing the flooring. I It sounds like
doing the flooring. I It sounds like you're happy and it sounds like you
you're happy and it sounds like you believe it was the right decision. If
believe it was the right decision. If someone was to do something similar,
someone was to do something similar, would you recommend that?
would you recommend that? It's not so relative, you know, it
It's not so relative, you know, it depends. Like for me, I was in the the
depends. Like for me, I was in the the BMX industry, which, you know, really
BMX industry, which, you know, really sucks. I mean, the BMX hobby is
sucks. I mean, the BMX hobby is fantastic.
fantastic. But, the BMX business is horrible.
But, the BMX business is horrible. There's probably
There's probably you know, like even some of the
you know, like even some of the companies that are big in BMX, whatever
companies that are big in BMX, whatever you consider big to be,
you consider big to be, the ones that are doing better, I would
the ones that are doing better, I would say, they're not making a whole lot of
say, they're not making a whole lot of money. I mean, they're making a living,
money. I mean, they're making a living, but nobody's getting
but nobody's getting wealthy off of BMX, you know? For me,
wealthy off of BMX, you know? For me, once I stopped doing BMX and shut GHP
once I stopped doing BMX and shut GHP down and got into flooring, I mean, the
down and got into flooring, I mean, the right now, I earn way more money than I
right now, I earn way more money than I did in BMX and I have way more time off.
did in BMX and I have way more time off. I mean, like I'm never gone on the
I mean, like I'm never gone on the weekends. I'm every night and I'm going
weekends. I'm every night and I'm going to jobs making, you know, sometimes in
to jobs making, you know, sometimes in one day more than it took me 2 weeks to
one day more than it took me 2 weeks to make in BMX and not having anyone say,
make in BMX and not having anyone say, "Hey, can you hook me up? What's my
"Hey, can you hook me up? What's my price? What's my You know what I mean?
price? What's my You know what I mean? Like in BMX, it's all about the bro
Like in BMX, it's all about the bro price, right?" When I go to a floor, I
price, right?" When I go to a floor, I don't ever hear anything like that.
don't ever hear anything like that. Yeah. You're just a normal person going
Yeah. You're just a normal person going to do a service and you get paid and
to do a service and you get paid and in BMX, the business is just It's just
in BMX, the business is just It's just so unbelievably terrible.
so unbelievably terrible. Yeah, I can only imagine. I've heard,
Yeah, I can only imagine. I've heard, you know, stories of being frame
you know, stories of being frame manufacturers and kind of just getting
manufacturers and kind of just getting hit up and the margins aren't great to
hit up and the margins aren't great to begin with. So, how much can you
begin with. So, how much can you actually give away for free?
actually give away for free? The margins are terrible and if the
The margins are terrible and if the problem is there's too many frame When
problem is there's too many frame When we stopped, there was like 250 different
we stopped, there was like 250 different frames on the market, you know?
frames on the market, you know? And like we were we were selling almost
And like we were we were selling almost like 1,000 frames a year, almost. And it
like 1,000 frames a year, almost. And it was like you're not making any money
was like you're not making any money selling that. Probably I don't know how
selling that. Probably I don't know how many frames the companies that are doing
many frames the companies that are doing good in BMX sell, but you know, there's
good in BMX sell, but you know, there's nobody selling 20,000 frames a year. You
nobody selling 20,000 frames a year. You know, they might be lucky to sell 2,000.
know, they might be lucky to sell 2,000. Yeah, I doubt it, but and the the
Yeah, I doubt it, but and the the biggest problem is like this is a prime
biggest problem is like this is a prime example when I got out of BMX and shut
example when I got out of BMX and shut GHP down completely, we had probably 35
GHP down completely, we had probably 35 or 40 support teams. They each had like
or 40 support teams. They each had like anywhere from five to 20 riders. Like my
anywhere from five to 20 riders. Like my my phone never rang. It's just
my phone never rang. It's just completely stopped. You have people that
completely stopped. You have people that you think are your friends and you leave
you think are your friends and you leave and it's gone and you don't hear from no
and it's gone and you don't hear from no one, you know, it's like they're off on
one, you know, it's like they're off on somebody else's camp to get free stuff
somebody else's camp to get free stuff and just for the hookup, you know?
and just for the hookup, you know? Oh, yeah. No, I I did I understand that
Oh, yeah. No, I I did I understand that from a different industry's perspective,
from a different industry's perspective, but yeah, I
but yeah, I Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, I'm I wouldn't get back into BMX
Yeah, I'm I wouldn't get back into BMX if somebody offered me all the money in
if somebody offered me all the money in the world. I would not do it.
the world. I would not do it. Man, I'm glad you're happy. Like
Man, I'm glad you're happy. Like Super happy not being there, you know?
Super happy not being there, you know? Well, I appreciate you taking the time
Well, I appreciate you taking the time to come on down and talk with me.
to come on down and talk with me. No problem, man. It's all good. When
No problem, man. It's all good. When you're ready to go, just let me know.
you're ready to go, just let me know. Perfect. I'll let me talk with the wife.
Perfect. I'll let me talk with the wife. We'll talk about those things we talked
We'll talk about those things we talked about and then we'll get back with you
about and then we'll get back with you and hopefully talk again soon.
and hopefully talk again soon. Awesome.
Awesome. Appreciate it.
Appreciate it. You too.
You too. No, bye.
No, bye. Okay, bye-bye.
Mhm.

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