Fireside BMX Chat & Archery Lesson w/ Harry Leary's Niece - Jessica Reveal - Learn to shoot & more..

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In this special audio podcast episode, Kyle steps completely out of his comfort zone and into an archery range for a first-ever lesson with Jessica Reveal—an accomplished archer, hunter, and the niece of BMX legend Harry Leary.

What begins as a simple archery lesson quickly turns into an honest, thoughtful, and sometimes funny conversation about family, mentorship, safety, learning through failure, and what it was really like growing up with one of the most influential (and infamous) figures in BMX history.

🏹 Episode Concept

Kyle mentioned wanting to learn archery during a conversation with Linda, who connected him with her daughter Jessica. The two meet at an archery range where Jessica teaches Kyle the fundamentals—stance, safety, nocking, drawing, aiming, and release—while sharing stories about her uncle Harry Leary along the way.

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First-time archery basics and range safety

Archery equipment breakdown for beginners

Learning new skills with past injuries

Teaching styles and mentorship

Growing up with BMX legend Harry Leary

Favorite family stories and “we’re in trouble” moments

Lessons learned from Harry—both what to do and what not to do

Harry Leary as an uncle vs. Harry Leary the BMX icon

The elbow incident and its impact on family

Commitment to BMX and its personal cost

Finding closure, legacy, and moving forward

One-word reflections and shared secrets

The mental side of archery and focus

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This episode isn’t just about archery or BMX—it’s about learning, family bonds, legacy, and how unconventional mentors shape who we become. Whether you’re into BMX, archery, or meaningful conversations, this one hits the mark.

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And you see that bows and arrows. Yeah. Yeah. Like like on Wii but real life.
Yeah. Like like on Wii but real life. >> Yeah. Just like the Wii. A little bit
>> Yeah. Just like the Wii. A little bit different.
different. >> Yeah. You're probably right. Are you
>> Yeah. You're probably right. Are you Jessica?
Jessica? >> That is me, the one and only.
>> That is me, the one and only. >> It's nice to meet you. Your mom speaks
>> It's nice to meet you. Your mom speaks the world of you. And I'm excited for
the world of you. And I'm excited for our lesson today.
our lesson today. >> It's going to be a fun one. We're going
>> It's going to be a fun one. We're going to shoot straight or shoot a lot. That's
to shoot straight or shoot a lot. That's for sure.
for sure. >> There you go. I love it. Ann's got a
>> There you go. I love it. Ann's got a book. She has some toys as well. She
book. She has some toys as well. She should be fine sitting back over here.
should be fine sitting back over here. She's pretty much always with me.
She's pretty much always with me. >> Hey, I got two kids, so I feel you on
>> Hey, I got two kids, so I feel you on that. Always listening and always
that. Always listening and always watching. That one.
watching. That one. >> Very true. I'm learning that the hard
>> Very true. I'm learning that the hard way to be honest with you. She's
way to be honest with you. She's learning to cuss like a sailor. So, I
learning to cuss like a sailor. So, I have to watch that.
have to watch that. >> Yeah. Me, too. Don't worry about it. Me,
>> Yeah. Me, too. Don't worry about it. Me, too.
too. But I just want to I guess ask I know
But I just want to I guess ask I know your name is Jessica. Do you go by Jess?
your name is Jessica. Do you go by Jess? Do you have a preference?
Do you have a preference? >> So most people call me Jess. My full
>> So most people call me Jess. My full name is Jessica. And
name is Jessica. And >> when people call me Jessica, I just feel
>> when people call me Jessica, I just feel like I'm in trouble.
like I'm in trouble. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> Yeah. Gets gets me nervous. My dad used
>> Yeah. Gets gets me nervous. My dad used to call me Jessica when I got in
to call me Jessica when I got in trouble. So I just go by Jess. It's easy
trouble. So I just go by Jess. It's easy and it's not as basic as Jessica.
and it's not as basic as Jessica. >> All right.
>> All right. >> A little bit about personality.
>> A little bit about personality. I love it. Not as basic. So, I was
I love it. Not as basic. So, I was talking with your mom and she mentioned
talking with your mom and she mentioned you have a background in archery. I've
you have a background in archery. I've been curious about it and she offered to
been curious about it and she offered to hook us up and I jumped at the chance.
hook us up and I jumped at the chance. So, once again, thank you very much for
So, once again, thank you very much for taking the time to meet with me.
taking the time to meet with me. >> Oh, yeah. No problem. If I have an
>> Oh, yeah. No problem. If I have an opportunity to teach someone archery, I
opportunity to teach someone archery, I jump on it because archery, it's not
jump on it because archery, it's not just a hobby to me. It's a passion. It's
just a hobby to me. It's a passion. It's a lifestyle. It's really everything to
a lifestyle. It's really everything to me. It defines who I am. So, I'm willing
me. It defines who I am. So, I'm willing to share that with anybody who wants to
to share that with anybody who wants to learn.
learn. >> I love that. And I get to learn from the
>> I love that. And I get to learn from the best. So, that's that's awesome. But, I
best. So, that's that's awesome. But, I guess before we get started, safety, is
guess before we get started, safety, is there anything you can kind of share
there anything you can kind of share with me? I mean, I don't know. Where do
with me? I mean, I don't know. Where do we get started? I just always think
we get started? I just always think safety.
safety. >> Not many people think it's a, you know,
>> Not many people think it's a, you know, as dangerous as firearms, but it very
as dangerous as firearms, but it very much well could be. You can't just grab
much well could be. You can't just grab a bow and decide, "Hey, I'm going to
a bow and decide, "Hey, I'm going to shoot it and see what happens." You're
shoot it and see what happens." You're holding a a bow that has poundage behind
holding a a bow that has poundage behind the limbs. My bows, there's 60 lb limbs
the limbs. My bows, there's 60 lb limbs on them. If something happens with that
on them. If something happens with that bow, that thing explodes, you can hit
bow, that thing explodes, you can hit your face, you can cut your finger open,
your face, you can cut your finger open, you can severely hurt yourself. So,
you can severely hurt yourself. So, there is a lot of safety that does come
there is a lot of safety that does come with archery. One, you got to make sure
with archery. One, you got to make sure that you're able to pull the bow back
that you're able to pull the bow back without a struggle. Because if you can't
without a struggle. Because if you can't pull that bow back, you risk not only
pull that bow back, you risk not only blowing up the bow and again hurting
blowing up the bow and again hurting yourself, breaking the bow, but you risk
yourself, breaking the bow, but you risk hurting muscles, straining muscles, and
hurting muscles, straining muscles, and all of that. So, there's that aspect of
all of that. So, there's that aspect of it as far as shooting a bow. And then
it as far as shooting a bow. And then Makes sense. Yeah, I work on bows for a
Makes sense. Yeah, I work on bows for a living and I had a bow blow up on me and
living and I had a bow blow up on me and it actually took the skin off of my
it actually took the skin off of my finger to where I could see my bone on
finger to where I could see my bone on my finger
my finger >> and it it's they can get pretty
>> and it it's they can get pretty dangerous.
dangerous. >> Yeah, I can imagine. So, can I like I'm
>> Yeah, I can imagine. So, can I like I'm trying to visualize this. I'm a sailor.
trying to visualize this. I'm a sailor. When you're tying a ship down, we're
When you're tying a ship down, we're there's a thing that we are always
there's a thing that we are always terrified about where a line snaps and
terrified about where a line snaps and it'll it's they always show you you see
it'll it's they always show you you see a video twice a year of snapback. I
a video twice a year of snapback. I guess snapback I guess that's what it is
guess snapback I guess that's what it is where a sailor lost his legs or a couple
where a sailor lost his legs or a couple of sailors lost their legs because of
of sailors lost their legs because of the tension on that line. Is that
the tension on that line. Is that essentially the same thing?
essentially the same thing? >> Yeah. So imagine, so you have most men
>> Yeah. So imagine, so you have most men shoot around a 70 80 lb bow. So you have
shoot around a 70 80 lb bow. So you have this bow that has 80 lb worth of force
this bow that has 80 lb worth of force on the limbs and the only thing holding
on the limbs and the only thing holding those limbs down is that string that's
those limbs down is that string that's tied up around the cams.
tied up around the cams. >> And so if you pull it back and you don't
>> And so if you pull it back and you don't pull it back correctly, you chance that
pull it back correctly, you chance that string sliding off the cams and then
string sliding off the cams and then exploding. And it could if it hits your
exploding. And it could if it hits your arm, it's called string slap. And it
arm, it's called string slap. And it could Oh, it hurts like a [ __ ] It It's
could Oh, it hurts like a [ __ ] It It's It's not fun. Things on the bow can
It's not fun. Things on the bow can start flying and then all of that pound,
start flying and then all of that pound, it's like
it's like >> the poundage if it hits you, it can
>> the poundage if it hits you, it can slice your face open. I mean,
slice your face open. I mean, >> it's essentially just like the sailors.
>> it's essentially just like the sailors. If something happens, they can lose a
If something happens, they can lose a leg.
leg. >> I mean, you're not going to lose a limb
>> I mean, you're not going to lose a limb from the string, but it's it can cause
from the string, but it's it can cause some severe damage. Just like if you
some severe damage. Just like if you pull a bow back without an arrow. This
pull a bow back without an arrow. This is probably a very big rule, by the way.
is probably a very big rule, by the way. >> Huh.
>> Huh. >> Don't ever pull a bow back without an
>> Don't ever pull a bow back without an arrow knocked.
arrow knocked. >> I did not know.
>> I did not know. >> Yeah. Cuz if you pull a bow back and
>> Yeah. Cuz if you pull a bow back and there's no arrow
there's no arrow >> Mhm.
>> Mhm. >> where is all that poundage going on your
>> where is all that poundage going on your finger?
finger? >> It's going to go Well, it's going to go
>> It's going to go Well, it's going to go straight back into the bow.
straight back into the bow. >> Oh.
>> Oh. >> Cuz that string's not pushing anything
>> Cuz that string's not pushing anything forward. It has nowhere to put all that
forward. It has nowhere to put all that pressure into to launch the arrow.
pressure into to launch the arrow. >> So, if you don't have an arrow,
>> So, if you don't have an arrow, >> you risk dry firing a bow, and that's
>> you risk dry firing a bow, and that's what it's called. So, if you pull back a
what it's called. So, if you pull back a bow and there's no arrow and you shoot
bow and there's no arrow and you shoot it
it >> Mhm.
>> Mhm. >> all that poundage is going back into the
>> all that poundage is going back into the limbs, and that's what'll blow up a bow
limbs, and that's what'll blow up a bow usually
usually 98% of the time.
98% of the time. >> I had no idea, but it makes total sense.
>> I had no idea, but it makes total sense. Wow.
Wow. >> Yeah. So, you're kind of holding a
>> Yeah. So, you're kind of holding a ticking time bomb if you don't know what
ticking time bomb if you don't know what you're doing with a bow.
you're doing with a bow. >> That's what it sounds like. Uh, but
>> That's what it sounds like. Uh, but there there is protective gear, right? I
there there is protective gear, right? I see an arm guard here and a glove. And
see an arm guard here and a glove. And >> I don't know. It's some kind of sling
>> I don't know. It's some kind of sling thing. I'm not sure.
thing. I'm not sure. >> What is the arm guard? And the What is
>> What is the arm guard? And the What is this equipment for?
this equipment for? >> The arm guard is a lot of that stuff is
>> The arm guard is a lot of that stuff is for re curve bows. So, there's different
for re curve bows. So, there's different type of bows
type of bows >> in the archery world. Do you have
>> in the archery world. Do you have compound bows, recurve bows, long bows,
compound bows, recurve bows, long bows, crossbows? So the the arm guards and the
crossbows? So the the arm guards and the finger guards, stuff like that, that's
finger guards, stuff like that, that's going to be recurve type equipment. I
going to be recurve type equipment. I mean, you can use an arm guard for
mean, you can use an arm guard for compound bows. It's not like you can't,
compound bows. It's not like you can't, >> but a lot of people will use that for
>> but a lot of people will use that for recurve cuz you have more of a chance
recurve cuz you have more of a chance >> slapping your arm with the string. And
>> slapping your arm with the string. And that's what the arm guard's for is to
that's what the arm guard's for is to protect your arm
protect your arm >> from getting a string slap, which
>> from getting a string slap, which that can leave a leave a mark. That
that can leave a leave a mark. That doesn't feel good.
doesn't feel good. >> Yeah, I've got a lot to learn. But
>> Yeah, I've got a lot to learn. But arrows, that's cool. And it's kind of
arrows, that's cool. And it's kind of obvious on this one, right?
obvious on this one, right? >> You know, with arrows that a lot of
>> You know, with arrows that a lot of people are just like, "Hey, I'm going to
people are just like, "Hey, I'm going to go get an arrow and shoot it out of a
go get an arrow and shoot it out of a bow." But there's so much that goes into
bow." But there's so much that goes into the arrows that you choose to shoot.
the arrows that you choose to shoot. Can you
Can you >> uh so
>> uh so >> share what in a nutshell what that is?
>> share what in a nutshell what that is? >> Yeah. So you have obviously the length
>> Yeah. So you have obviously the length of an arrow.
of an arrow. >> Uhhuh.
>> Uhhuh. >> You have to cut the length of the arrow
>> You have to cut the length of the arrow correctly to your draw length of the
correctly to your draw length of the bow. You don't want it too short because
bow. You don't want it too short because then you risk having it behind the rest
then you risk having it behind the rest of your bow and then you can shoot
of your bow and then you can shoot yourself or break a bow or completely
yourself or break a bow or completely shatter the arrow and then all of the
shatter the arrow and then all of the carbon fiber goes into your hand or your
carbon fiber goes into your hand or your face.
face. >> Uh oh. Yeah.
>> Uh oh. Yeah. >> Yeah. And if it's too long, you risk
>> Yeah. And if it's too long, you risk losing speed. And in a hunting scenario,
losing speed. And in a hunting scenario, that's very important is your speed of
that's very important is your speed of an arrow. So length of an arrow is a big
an arrow. So length of an arrow is a big one. You do want to get the correct
one. You do want to get the correct spine of an arrow. So
spine of an arrow. So >> spine,
>> spine, >> what that means is the spine of the
>> what that means is the spine of the arrow is the flexibility of an arrow.
arrow is the flexibility of an arrow. >> Okay?
>> Okay? >> So depending on what poundage you shoot,
>> So depending on what poundage you shoot, that is going to tell your spine. So I
that is going to tell your spine. So I shoot 60 lb. And based off the poundage
shoot 60 lb. And based off the poundage I shoot and my draw length, there's kind
I shoot and my draw length, there's kind of an equation that you would do to give
of an equation that you would do to give you your your spine of the arrow. And so
you your your spine of the arrow. And so I shoot a 400 spine. So it's going to be
I shoot a 400 spine. So it's going to be a little bit more flexible than say a
a little bit more flexible than say a 350 or 300 spined arrow.
350 or 300 spined arrow. >> Um just because I'm shooting less
>> Um just because I'm shooting less poundage.
poundage. >> Put in your brain, you're shooting an
>> Put in your brain, you're shooting an arrow at less poundage, you're going to
arrow at less poundage, you're going to want it to flex a little bit more to get
want it to flex a little bit more to get a little better flight. But if you're
a little better flight. But if you're shooting 80 pounds, you don't want that
shooting 80 pounds, you don't want that arrow to flex too much because the 80
arrow to flex too much because the 80 pounds is gonna mess up the the arrow
pounds is gonna mess up the the arrow flight. So you want it to be stiffer.
flight. So you want it to be stiffer. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Yep.
>> Yep. >> So that's what the spine is about. And
>> So that's what the spine is about. And that helps with the arrow flight, which
that helps with the arrow flight, which is obviously important when it comes to
is obviously important when it comes to coming out of the bow. And then um you
coming out of the bow. And then um you obviously have diameter of an arrow. You
obviously have diameter of an arrow. You can do 6 mm diameter, 5 mil, 4 mil. I
can do 6 mm diameter, 5 mil, 4 mil. I shoot 4 mil diameters and that depends
shoot 4 mil diameters and that depends on I guess preference really. I like the
on I guess preference really. I like the four ms because they usually are lighter
four ms because they usually are lighter and me shooting 60 lb I like to go with
and me shooting 60 lb I like to go with a lighter bow to get a lighter arrow to
a lighter bow to get a lighter arrow to get the speed that I'm looking for.
get the speed that I'm looking for. >> So, huh.
>> So, huh. >> Yeah, a lot goes into the arrow.
>> Yeah, a lot goes into the arrow. >> That's crazy.
>> That's crazy. >> I never imagined this is this is turning
>> I never imagined this is this is turning you really really fun. I have a fun
you really really fun. I have a fun range story for you someday over coffee.
range story for you someday over coffee. So that was when I was in the police
So that was when I was in the police academy. I ended up shooting the
academy. I ended up shooting the roofings at the range on 32nd Street
roofings at the range on 32nd Street Naval Base down in San Diego once during
Naval Base down in San Diego once during a rapid fire event. That was fun. But I
a rapid fire event. That was fun. But I mean I by the way I did graduate and I
mean I by the way I did graduate and I did serve as auxiliary security force
did serve as auxiliary security force officer there.
officer there. >> But yes, I did shoot the roof there. So
>> But yes, I did shoot the roof there. So uh that was a little embarrassing.
uh that was a little embarrassing. >> There you go. At least you at least you
>> There you go. At least you at least you shot something.
shot something. >> There you go. There you go. Right. I
>> There you go. There you go. Right. I mean to find target. Really?
mean to find target. Really? >> Yeah. The glasses half full.
>> Yeah. The glasses half full. >> There you go.
>> There you go. >> Um well, you've mentioned some serious
>> Um well, you've mentioned some serious issues with regards to the string.
issues with regards to the string. What's the worst archery accident you've
What's the worst archery accident you've seen, if you don't mind?
seen, if you don't mind? >> Oh man, the worst archery accident. I
>> Oh man, the worst archery accident. I haven't seen much. Thank
haven't seen much. Thank >> goodness. I've had to fix bows
>> goodness. I've had to fix bows >> and I've had to help people who've had
>> and I've had to help people who've had issues with bows out in the field. And
issues with bows out in the field. And because I'm an archery tech, I've heard
because I'm an archery tech, I've heard some stories, but I've never The worst
some stories, but I've never The worst one that I've witnessed is my dumbass
one that I've witnessed is my dumbass that blew up a bow and it ripped my skin
that blew up a bow and it ripped my skin off of my bone
off of my bone >> and I had to get rushed to the ER to get
>> and I had to get rushed to the ER to get stitches on my finger. So, that's the
stitches on my finger. So, that's the worst one that I've seen.
worst one that I've seen. >> Yeah. But I've Oh, I've heard some
>> Yeah. But I've Oh, I've heard some gnarly ones. For example, one of my
gnarly ones. For example, one of my mentors, he was working on a bow, and
mentors, he was working on a bow, and there's different types of bows. And so,
there's different types of bows. And so, with different bows, you have to learn
with different bows, you have to learn how to
how to tune or fix each bow.
tune or fix each bow. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm. >> So, he he forgot, I guess, that step.
>> So, he he forgot, I guess, that step. And so, he was adjusting the draw length
And so, he was adjusting the draw length on a bow, a certain bow. And in order to
on a bow, a certain bow. And in order to do it on this bow, you have to put it in
do it on this bow, you have to put it in a bow press to take the pressure off the
a bow press to take the pressure off the limbs. And he forgot to do that. So when
limbs. And he forgot to do that. So when he did it, it actually snapped the cams,
he did it, it actually snapped the cams, which is what the strings go on on the
which is what the strings go on on the limbs. What turns the string.
limbs. What turns the string. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> The cam snapped and got his finger
>> The cam snapped and got his finger inside of the limb between the limb and
inside of the limb between the limb and the cam and just completely crushed his
the cam and just completely crushed his finger.
finger. >> And it was stuck. And he there's nothing
>> And it was stuck. And he there's nothing he could do because his finger stuck
he could do because his finger stuck between an 80 lb limb and a cam.
between an 80 lb limb and a cam. >> Oh my gosh.
>> Oh my gosh. >> And it it tore his finger his thumb
>> And it it tore his finger his thumb apart. It was a crazy story. It made me
apart. It was a crazy story. It made me just want to throw up.
just want to throw up. >> Yeah. That's that's terrible. That's
>> But here here's kind of a sidebar question,
here here's kind of a sidebar question, I guess, that talking about unsafe
I guess, that talking about unsafe things. I I know your uncle used to do
things. I I know your uncle used to do some unsafe things.
some unsafe things. Oh god.
Oh god. >> How much of what not to do did you learn
>> How much of what not to do did you learn from him?
from him? >> Everything. I just I'd look at him and
>> Everything. I just I'd look at him and be like, "Okay, maybe I shouldn't do
be like, "Okay, maybe I shouldn't do that."
that." >> He He's something. He was something
>> He He's something. He was something else. I'll tell you that much.
else. I'll tell you that much. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Oh, boy.
>> Oh, boy. >> Did he egg you on quite a bit? I kind of
>> Did he egg you on quite a bit? I kind of have that feeling. Yeah. I love it.
have that feeling. Yeah. I love it. >> Oh, yeah. Him and I. So, I don't know
>> Oh, yeah. Him and I. So, I don't know how much my mom's told you about our
how much my mom's told you about our relationship, but
relationship, but >> not too much other than you guys were
>> not too much other than you guys were close. He taught you how to ride, and I
close. He taught you how to ride, and I think that's about the extent of it.
think that's about the extent of it. >> Yeah. Him and I had a very special
>> Yeah. Him and I had a very special relationship. I don't really have a good
relationship. I don't really have a good relationship with any of my aunts or
relationship with any of my aunts or uncles from both sides of my family, but
uncles from both sides of my family, but the one relationship that I had was with
the one relationship that I had was with my uncle. And it all started just from
my uncle. And it all started just from him and I rzing each other and
him and I rzing each other and >> yeah,
>> yeah, >> just poking fun of each other, making
>> just poking fun of each other, making fun of each other. He'd make fun of the
fun of each other. He'd make fun of the fact that I was blonde. I'd make fun of
fact that I was blonde. I'd make fun of the fact that he was called Harry, but
the fact that he was called Harry, but he was bald. I mean,
he was bald. I mean, >> I love it. Yeah, that's that that's a
>> I love it. Yeah, that's that that's a truth right there.
truth right there. >> It is. I mean, he's bald and his name's
>> It is. I mean, he's bald and his name's Harry. What a I mean, that's
Harry. What a I mean, that's contradicting. I Your whole life is
contradicting. I Your whole life is contradicting right there.
contradicting right there. But we had a very special relationship
But we had a very special relationship all the way up until he passed and
all the way up until he passed and >> I'll hold that close to my heart for
>> I'll hold that close to my heart for sure.
sure. >> Yeah, that's wonderful thing to hold. I
>> Yeah, that's wonderful thing to hold. I think he's a fascinating person. Hal, I
think he's a fascinating person. Hal, I think your entire family is fascinating.
think your entire family is fascinating. So, I'm probably going to ask you a few
So, I'm probably going to ask you a few more questions about him and your family
more questions about him and your family if you don't mind while we're doing this
if you don't mind while we're doing this lesson.
lesson. >> Hey, I love to talk. So, we're and I
>> Hey, I love to talk. So, we're and I love to talk about me and my family. So,
love to talk about me and my family. So, let's do it.
let's do it. >> I love it. Um, well, so all right, so I
>> I love it. Um, well, so all right, so I ask one more quick question. All right,
ask one more quick question. All right, so you two got into fun. What have you,
so you two got into fun. What have you, doesn't have to be fun, but what did you
doesn't have to be fun, but what did you learn from Harry? Kind of in a nutshell.
Honestly, he
he is the one that
is the one that kind of showed me and taught me to just
kind of showed me and taught me to just [ __ ] go for it.
[ __ ] go for it. And those were his words. About two
And those were his words. About two years ago, I was on my way to I work
years ago, I was on my way to I work hunting expose and I was on my way to a
hunting expose and I was on my way to a hunting expo and I hadn't talked to him
hunting expo and I hadn't talked to him in a while, but he called me. I was
in a while, but he called me. I was going through a divorce and I was just
going through a divorce and I was just telling he was asking me about you know
telling he was asking me about you know the hunting business and
the hunting business and how I want to be someone in the hunting
how I want to be someone in the hunting industry and how I want to go somewhere
industry and how I want to go somewhere and you know I'm I have this passion for
and you know I'm I have this passion for something and it's just difficult and he
something and it's just difficult and he he was just telling me you know what
he was just telling me you know what just [ __ ] the hat am I allowed to cuss
just [ __ ] the hat am I allowed to cuss >> you can cuss yes
>> you can cuss yes >> okay he's just like you know [ __ ] the
>> okay he's just like you know [ __ ] the haters [ __ ] what people think if you
haters [ __ ] what people think if you love what you're doing, then [ __ ] go
love what you're doing, then [ __ ] go for it. Follow your passion and do what
for it. Follow your passion and do what you're good at doing. He's like, you
you're good at doing. He's like, you know what? You're my badass niece, and I
know what? You're my badass niece, and I want to show the world how badass you
want to show the world how badass you are, and you just you need to follow
are, and you just you need to follow what you love. And that's that's
what you love. And that's that's something that he he taught me is if you
something that he he taught me is if you love what you're doing, then just keep
love what you're doing, then just keep going. Don't don't listen to stupid
going. Don't don't listen to stupid people. Don't listen to anyone who says
people. Don't listen to anyone who says I can't do it. Just [ __ ] go and do
I can't do it. Just [ __ ] go and do it.
it. >> Y
>> Y >> and it was pretty cool. I had him on my
>> and it was pretty cool. I had him on my side and he helped me. I mean, he'd
side and he helped me. I mean, he'd always post about me.
always post about me. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Try and you talk to his sponsors and he
>> Try and you talk to his sponsors and he would get me some sponsors and in a way
would get me some sponsors and in a way he hooked me up with you now. So,
he hooked me up with you now. So, >> yeah,
>> yeah, >> he's not even here and he hooked us up
>> he's not even here and he hooked us up which is pretty cool. Right.
which is pretty cool. Right. >> There have been a lot there have been so
>> There have been a lot there have been so many wonderful things that have come
many wonderful things that have come about in my life because of him and I
about in my life because of him and I never met him. So like that's just the
never met him. So like that's just the reality of the situation, right? It's
reality of the situation, right? It's just all this kind of snowballed. And I
just all this kind of snowballed. And I I really appreciate your family. I mean
I really appreciate your family. I mean your mom has been just she's she's been
your mom has been just she's she's been amazing and I really appreciate her.
amazing and I really appreciate her. >> Yeah, she's an amazing amazing woman.
>> Yeah, she's an amazing amazing woman. She's I mean just like my uncle too,
She's I mean just like my uncle too, they both have gone through hell and
they both have gone through hell and back and
back and >> they had their faults and they had their
>> they had their faults and they had their fallouts. My uncle and I had our
fallouts. My uncle and I had our fallouts for a while and
fallouts for a while and >> our family always seems to find our way
>> our family always seems to find our way back to each other. No matter the crazy,
back to each other. No matter the crazy, >> no matter the pain.
>> no matter the pain. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> We're always there to support each
>> We're always there to support each other. And my mom's pretty amazing and
other. And my mom's pretty amazing and my uncle was too even though he was a
my uncle was too even though he was a dumbass.
dumbass. You have to say, well, I'm going to
You have to say, well, I'm going to table that statement. But your Well,
table that statement. But your Well, your mom called him a dumbass. Let's
your mom called him a dumbass. Let's just say that.
just say that. >> Oh, we're on the same page.
>> Oh, we're on the same page. >> There you go. So, oh, but speaking of
>> There you go. So, oh, but speaking of that dumbass, do you have a favorite,
that dumbass, do you have a favorite, and I'mma do air quotes here, whatever.
and I'mma do air quotes here, whatever. We are in so much trouble story about
We are in so much trouble story about him and you.
him and you. >> One comes to mind, but it wasn't more of
>> One comes to mind, but it wasn't more of trouble. It was more like you're going
trouble. It was more like you're going to get us killed time story.
to get us killed time story. >> Okay.
>> Okay. Oh my gosh. So,
Oh my gosh. So, >> uncle and I, I call him uncle.
>> uncle and I, I call him uncle. >> Sure.
>> Sure. >> Um, uncle and I decided, you know what?
>> Um, uncle and I decided, you know what? We're going to go line dancing. Let's
We're going to go line dancing. Let's just get out on the town and let's go
just get out on the town and let's go line dancing.
line dancing. >> I was going to be his wing girl. You
>> I was going to be his wing girl. You know, he's down in the dumps. I'm
know, he's down in the dumps. I'm >> I'm just his niece and we wanted to go
>> I'm just his niece and we wanted to go >> have fun. And
>> have fun. And >> so, I get in his car and we're we're
>> so, I get in his car and we're we're listening to Neon Lights by Blake
listening to Neon Lights by Blake Sheldon.
Sheldon. >> Okay. and his favorite song at the time.
>> Okay. and his favorite song at the time. And he's driving down the freeway and I
And he's driving down the freeway and I remember sitting in the passenger seat
remember sitting in the passenger seat and he's just driving, right? I'm
and he's just driving, right? I'm sitting in the passenger seat and he's
sitting in the passenger seat and he's he's going mock Jesus and I just
he's going mock Jesus and I just >> I don't understand why he's going so
>> I don't understand why he's going so fast and I I'm my butt cheeks are
fast and I I'm my butt cheeks are clenching the seat and I'm I'm a little
clenching the seat and I'm I'm a little nervous, but I'm with my badass uncle. I
nervous, but I'm with my badass uncle. I can't show him how how nervous I am. And
can't show him how how nervous I am. And I remember grabbing the handle of the
I remember grabbing the handle of the door and just squeezing because he would
door and just squeezing because he would get as close as he could
get as close as he could >> to the back of these semi trucks and
>> to the back of these semi trucks and then all of a sudden change lanes with
then all of a sudden change lanes with with no blinker, no, hey, I'm going to
with no blinker, no, hey, I'm going to change lane, nothing.
change lane, nothing. >> He would get as close as he could and
>> He would get as close as he could and then the change the lanes. And I'm just
then the change the lanes. And I'm just like sitting there like, oh my god, is
like sitting there like, oh my god, is is he is he drunk already? I'm going to
is he is he drunk already? I'm going to die tonight. like this is this is the
die tonight. like this is this is the end of Jess and uncle. We had a good
end of Jess and uncle. We had a good run.
run. >> Oh man,
>> Oh man, >> I specifically remember kind of like not
>> I specifically remember kind of like not moving my head but turning my eyes and
moving my head but turning my eyes and looking at him and he looks over at me
looking at him and he looks over at me and just starts cracking up just
and just starts cracking up just laughing hysterically and smiling. And I
laughing hysterically and smiling. And I look at him I was like what are you
look at him I was like what are you doing? Are you okay? And he goes, "I am
doing? Are you okay? And he goes, "I am trying to get as close as possible to
trying to get as close as possible to these semi-truckss just to see when
these semi-truckss just to see when you're going to yell at me or just to
you're going to yell at me or just to see what you're going to do or how long
see what you're going to do or how long it's going to take you to realize that
it's going to take you to realize that I'm just doing this to [ __ ] with you."
I'm just doing this to [ __ ] with you." >> Oh my gosh.
>> Oh my gosh. >> And he literally was just trying to make
>> And he literally was just trying to make me [ __ ] my pants.
me [ __ ] my pants. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> On the way there.
>> On the way there. >> Trying to kill us as a as a prank.
>> Trying to kill us as a as a prank. >> Oh my gosh. Now, whenever I'm behind a
>> Oh my gosh. Now, whenever I'm behind a semi-truck, I think of him. I don't get
semi-truck, I think of him. I don't get as close as he did because he got very
as close as he did because he got very close, but it was just one giant prank
close, but it was just one giant prank he was trying to do on me and it worked.
he was trying to do on me and it worked. >> But it was
>> But it was >> Yeah, he almost he was trying to kill
>> Yeah, he almost he was trying to kill me.
me. >> Well, thanks, Uncle.
>> Well, thanks, Uncle. Well, I I guess speaking of
Well, I I guess speaking of right-minded,
right-minded, I guess uh the the last safety option or
I guess uh the the last safety option or the last safety thing to discuss would
the last safety thing to discuss would be making sure you're right-minded, I'm
be making sure you're right-minded, I'm sure.
sure. >> Yes. In I guess all of everything you
>> Yes. In I guess all of everything you do, you should probably be right-minded.
do, you should probably be right-minded. BMX, archery, heck, even work.
BMX, archery, heck, even work. >> Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes you don't want to,
>> Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes you don't want to, but Yeah.
but Yeah. Oh, and thought of a thought.
Oh, and thought of a thought. >> What's that?
>> What's that? >> The night that we went to the line
>> The night that we went to the line dancing bar,
dancing bar, >> I got my uncle payback, I
>> I got my uncle payback, I >> did some payback on him. We I told
>> did some payback on him. We I told everybody it was his birthday.
everybody it was his birthday. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> And I got him in the middle of the line
>> And I got him in the middle of the line dancing floor and got him a bunch of
dancing floor and got him a bunch of girls lined up to take [ __ ] shots off
girls lined up to take [ __ ] shots off OF HIS LAP.
OF HIS LAP. >> I LOVE IT. I'LL BET YOU THAT WAS the
>> I LOVE IT. I'LL BET YOU THAT WAS the time of his life in
time of his life in >> Oh, man. We had so much fun. And I have
>> Oh, man. We had so much fun. And I have a picture of him and I that night.
a picture of him and I that night. >> You're going to have to share that with
>> You're going to have to share that with me at some point.
me at some point. >> I will. It's It's a very good picture.
>> I will. It's It's a very good picture. It was It was a lot of fun. We That
It was It was a lot of fun. We That night brought us even closer. And then
night brought us even closer. And then when I ran over a turtle on a dirt bike,
when I ran over a turtle on a dirt bike, that was another funny adventure we had.
that was another funny adventure we had. >> A turtle on a dirt bike. Now I got to
>> A turtle on a dirt bike. Now I got to hear this one real quick.
hear this one real quick. >> Oh. Oh man. We just We went to Lern
>> Oh. Oh man. We just We went to Lern Valley and we decided to go on a really
Valley and we decided to go on a really long dirt bike ride, him and I. And we
long dirt bike ride, him and I. And we were just rid riding up this crazy wash
were just rid riding up this crazy wash and wanted to take me on some stupid
and wanted to take me on some stupid route that
route that he wanted to test my skills on. I think
he wanted to test my skills on. I think I did great.
I did great. >> I I'm better than he
>> I I'm better than he >> but there's this desert tortoise out of
>> but there's this desert tortoise out of nowhere and he about ran it over and I I
nowhere and he about ran it over and I I do a thing on TikTok called Jess's
do a thing on TikTok called Jess's Critter Catching.
Critter Catching. >> Ah, okay.
>> Ah, okay. >> And I love catching critters. Critters
>> And I love catching critters. Critters are so much fun. All right.
are so much fun. All right. >> Obviously, I see a desert turtle. I
>> Obviously, I see a desert turtle. I threw my dirt bike down and I ran over
threw my dirt bike down and I ran over to this turtle
to this turtle >> and I played with this turtle for like
>> and I played with this turtle for like 20 minutes and he's just sitting there
20 minutes and he's just sitting there looking at me thinking I'm absolutely
looking at me thinking I'm absolutely insane. But it's like, "Uncle, there's a
insane. But it's like, "Uncle, there's a freaking turtle. I'm even more excited
freaking turtle. I'm even more excited about this." So, I also have pictures of
about this." So, I also have pictures of that, too.
that, too. >> Oh, yeah. That's another one. I uh I'm
>> Oh, yeah. That's another one. I uh I'm not so familiar with the Tik Tok. I
not so familiar with the Tik Tok. I never really caught on with that craze,
never really caught on with that craze, but I do understand that many people
but I do understand that many people did. But the critter aspect that I love.
did. But the critter aspect that I love. That's just fun. And I'm glad you got to
That's just fun. And I'm glad you got to see it out there.
see it out there. >> Yeah, I got to experience it with him.
>> Yeah, I got to experience it with him. It was that was a very memorable ride.
It was that was a very memorable ride. We used to
We used to >> do dirt bike rides a lot. Every
>> do dirt bike rides a lot. Every Thanksgiving we would go out and do it.
Thanksgiving we would go out and do it. >> Yeah, that's that's awesome. But I
>> Yeah, that's that's awesome. But I Sorry, I got us off track again. I do
Sorry, I got us off track again. I do that.
that. But, okay, so we have some equipment
But, okay, so we have some equipment here. I guess I'm just gonna warn you. I
here. I guess I'm just gonna warn you. I actually know way less than I actually
actually know way less than I actually let on.
let on. >> Most people do.
>> Most people do. >> Okay, cool, cool, good, good, good,
>> Okay, cool, cool, good, good, good, good. Okay.
good. Okay. Um, but I do own a cheap little bow and
Um, but I do own a cheap little bow and arrow. I like picked it up at the
arrow. I like picked it up at the hardware store and I haven't really
hardware store and I haven't really messed with it too much, so I kind of
messed with it too much, so I kind of feel like an idiot right now. I think I
feel like an idiot right now. I think I shot it in my basement once. So, that's
shot it in my basement once. So, that's >> that's about where I'm at outside of the
>> that's about where I'm at outside of the one that sticks to the windows.
one that sticks to the windows. That one's a good one. You You got to
That one's a good one. You You got to lick the tip and then it sticks to the
lick the tip and then it sticks to the window. All
window. All >> starts. That's Yeah, that's where it all
>> starts. That's Yeah, that's where it all started for me. And I got to tell you, I
started for me. And I got to tell you, I got quite a bit of practice with that.
got quite a bit of practice with that. But it's been a while. So,
But it's been a while. So, >> it's a little different than those.
>> it's a little different than those. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> A little bit though.
>> A little bit though. >> Well, how so? What do you got here?
>> Well, how so? What do you got here? >> Well, instead of using your fingers, you
>> Well, instead of using your fingers, you have a release.
have a release. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> So, that's a little different.
>> So, that's a little different. >> Okay. Can you explain that to me a
>> Okay. Can you explain that to me a little bit?
little bit? >> Yeah. So, there's different types of
>> Yeah. So, there's different types of releases when it comes to compound bows.
releases when it comes to compound bows. So, recurve bows, you use your fingers.
So, recurve bows, you use your fingers. Compound bows, you're going to have a
Compound bows, you're going to have a release. So, there's thumb triggers,
release. So, there's thumb triggers, which is what I use. It's a handheld
which is what I use. It's a handheld trigger. You put it around the dloop,
trigger. You put it around the dloop, which is a loop on your string that
which is a loop on your string that >> it's what pulls the bow back. Okay?
>> it's what pulls the bow back. Okay? >> Obviously, your muscles pull it back,
>> Obviously, your muscles pull it back, but that's the utensil you use to pull
but that's the utensil you use to pull it back. So, you have a thumb trigger,
it back. So, you have a thumb trigger, which your thumb is the one that
which your thumb is the one that releases the arrow.
releases the arrow. >> Then you have a finger trigger, which
>> Then you have a finger trigger, which goes around your wrist, and you'll pull
goes around your wrist, and you'll pull the bow back, and it's your pointer
the bow back, and it's your pointer finger that releases the trigger. Then
finger that releases the trigger. Then you get even more into it, and you have
you get even more into it, and you have a back tension release or a hinge
a back tension release or a hinge release. And that's all going to be
release. And that's all going to be based off the hinge is kind of the
based off the hinge is kind of the motion. It's not a trigger. It's just
motion. It's not a trigger. It's just motion of your hand as to when you
motion of your hand as to when you release that arrow. And a lot of people
release that arrow. And a lot of people won't use a hinge release in a hunting
won't use a hinge release in a hunting scenario.
scenario. >> Okay?
>> Okay? >> Because it's kind of like a it's an open
>> Because it's kind of like a it's an open release. So, it's just a turn of your
release. So, it's just a turn of your hand basically to kind of release that
hand basically to kind of release that arrow
arrow >> and it can misfire a lot of bows if you
>> and it can misfire a lot of bows if you don't know how to use it.
don't know how to use it. >> Oh, okay.
>> Oh, okay. >> And then back tension that releases.
>> And then back tension that releases. It's again not a trigger, but that
It's again not a trigger, but that release is when you add more tension
release is when you add more tension when you're in full draw. So with those
when you're in full draw. So with those releases, why a lot of people like to
releases, why a lot of people like to use them is with archery, you don't ever
use them is with archery, you don't ever want to anticipate your shot. You always
want to anticipate your shot. You always want your shot to be a surprise, and
want your shot to be a surprise, and that's when you get the best shots.
that's when you get the best shots. >> So the hinge and the back tension will
>> So the hinge and the back tension will help with that surprise shot, but also
help with that surprise shot, but also help with the follow through.
help with the follow through. >> And that's the big thing is the follow
>> And that's the big thing is the follow through of the shot. So, there's no
through of the shot. So, there's no anticipation or anything like that.
anticipation or anything like that. >> Huh. Interesting. Okay. Well, all right.
>> Huh. Interesting. Okay. Well, all right. Well, I guess I'm going to learn.
Well, I guess I'm going to learn. >> Heads up. I did tear my AC joint a few
>> Heads up. I did tear my AC joint a few years back, so it never really healed
years back, so it never really healed properly. I'm a little bit curious to
properly. I'm a little bit curious to see how this goes today, but let's just
see how this goes today, but let's just see how it goes.
see how it goes. >> Yeah, you got a professional here to
>> Yeah, you got a professional here to help.
help. >> Exactly. And if, like I said, if you
>> Exactly. And if, like I said, if you can't get the bow back, we can always
can't get the bow back, we can always turn down the weight to where you're
turn down the weight to where you're comfortable with it.
comfortable with it. >> Perfect.
>> Perfect. >> And you'll find your weight. And once
>> And you'll find your weight. And once you do that, it's it's just reps. And
you do that, it's it's just reps. And you just keep shooting. And the more you
you just keep shooting. And the more you shoot, the stronger you get. It's
shoot, the stronger you get. It's >> all about the reps.
>> all about the reps. >> I love it. And I've been looking for a
>> I love it. And I've been looking for a good strength training. And I guess I've
good strength training. And I guess I've been intimidated by, you know, archery.
been intimidated by, you know, archery. So just turn into my new hobby here. So
So just turn into my new hobby here. So we basically we have safety gear. We
we basically we have safety gear. We have equipment. So, you know, it comes
have equipment. So, you know, it comes with baggage. And I got to throw in a
with baggage. And I got to throw in a joke here. Speaking of baggage, your
joke here. Speaking of baggage, your uncle,
uncle, >> you've talked a lot about things you
>> you've talked a lot about things you fondly remember about him and him
fondly remember about him and him teaching you a few things, but what do
teaching you a few things, but what do you think is the favorite skill you have
you think is the favorite skill you have taken away from him? Is
taken away from him? Is >> Okay. favorite skill that I've taken
>> Okay. favorite skill that I've taken from him.
from him. >> I
>> I I honestly I I don't know if it's a
I honestly I I don't know if it's a skill or less more of a personality
skill or less more of a personality trait.
trait. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> But I'd have to say
>> But I'd have to say stubbornness or
stubbornness or >> Okay, I love it. How so? If you don't
>> Okay, I love it. How so? If you don't mind. No matter what, no matter how hard
mind. No matter what, no matter how hard things can get or even if he knew he was
things can get or even if he knew he was going to lose a race or didn't feel good
going to lose a race or didn't feel good or he was in pain, he still went out and
or he was in pain, he still went out and did it. And that I don't quit. I'm too
did it. And that I don't quit. I'm too stubborn to quit. And that's something
stubborn to quit. And that's something that that's something that he kind of
that that's something that he kind of pushed into me. Just don't quit. No
pushed into me. Just don't quit. No matter how hard a hunt can be.
matter how hard a hunt can be. >> Mhm. No matter how dumb the elk and mu
>> Mhm. No matter how dumb the elk and mu deer are making you look, just just keep
deer are making you look, just just keep going. It's all about the mental
going. It's all about the mental strength and you're not going to win
strength and you're not going to win unless you lose a little bit. You know,
unless you lose a little bit. You know, failure leads to success. So, you got to
failure leads to success. So, you got to fail in order to win. And
fail in order to win. And >> yeah,
>> yeah, >> keep going. I'm not going to get a
>> keep going. I'm not going to get a trophy bull every single year. And I'm
trophy bull every single year. And I'm not going to get a trophy bull if I
not going to get a trophy bull if I don't try either. So,
don't try either. So, >> I just live by failure leads to success.
>> I just live by failure leads to success. And that's a big thing in the archery
And that's a big thing in the archery world. And I know that that was a big
world. And I know that that was a big thing for Uncle and the BMX world, too.
thing for Uncle and the BMX world, too. You know, he didn't win every race.
You know, he didn't win every race. >> Nope. It's okay cuz he's still in the
>> Nope. It's okay cuz he's still in the Hall of Fame and we are still sitting
Hall of Fame and we are still sitting here having a conversation about him.
here having a conversation about him. So, I guess that's just one way of
So, I guess that's just one way of saying take a stance, right? And be
saying take a stance, right? And be stubborn about it. But
stubborn about it. But >> be stubborn and just keep We all know my
>> be stubborn and just keep We all know my uncle had a temper.
uncle had a temper. >> Yep.
>> Yep. >> And the apple doesn't fall apart.
>> And the apple doesn't fall apart. >> Yep. Especially in the passions that we
>> Yep. Especially in the passions that we love.
love. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> And I get angry, but I use that anger as
>> And I get angry, but I use that anger as fuel to just keep going. And I will
fuel to just keep going. And I will never quit
never quit >> ever.
>> ever. >> That is not in my genetics. And maybe
>> That is not in my genetics. And maybe that's something he pushed into me, but
that's something he pushed into me, but I not happening. I won't ever quit ever.
I not happening. I won't ever quit ever. Speaking of stance, how should I stand
Speaking of stance, how should I stand and hold myself like when I want to take
and hold myself like when I want to take this shot or get ready to take the shot
this shot or get ready to take the shot here? What can you kind of walk me
here? What can you kind of walk me through that?
through that? >> Yeah. So, you're right-handed, right?
>> Yeah. So, you're right-handed, right? >> Yeah. Correct. And I and my I'm
>> Yeah. Correct. And I and my I'm right-handed and my right shoulder is my
right-handed and my right shoulder is my AC joint tear.
AC joint tear. >> Yes. Okay. So, what I want is I want you
>> Yes. Okay. So, what I want is I want you to kind of stand with your left foot.
to kind of stand with your left foot. You're going to stand sideways. So, your
You're going to stand sideways. So, your left foot's going to be in front.
left foot's going to be in front. >> All right.
>> All right. >> And your right foot's going to be in the
>> And your right foot's going to be in the back.
back. >> And your left hand is the one holding
>> And your left hand is the one holding the bow.
the bow. >> Yep.
>> Yep. >> But when you do pull the bow back,
>> But when you do pull the bow back, people have a tendency to want to push
people have a tendency to want to push their hips forward.
their hips forward. >> Huh.
>> Huh. >> Don't do that.
>> Don't do that. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> And I'll move your hips.
>> And I'll move your hips. >> Yeah, I'll move your hips. So, it's once
>> Yeah, I'll move your hips. So, it's once you get in full draw, it's pretty easy
you get in full draw, it's pretty easy to want to move your hips. So, I'll just
to want to move your hips. So, I'll just straighten them out. But your stance is
straighten them out. But your stance is you're just going to be kind of not
you're just going to be kind of not facing the target. Sideways of the
facing the target. Sideways of the target. The bow is going to be obviously
target. The bow is going to be obviously facing the target.
facing the target. >> Y.
>> Y. >> And you'll pull back. I like to pull
>> And you'll pull back. I like to pull back kind of with the bow up. That way
back kind of with the bow up. That way it's easier.
it's easier. >> To aim down.
>> To aim down. >> Oh. and have gravity
>> Oh. and have gravity >> help you than to pull back with your bow
>> help you than to pull back with your bow down and having to move up against
down and having to move up against gravity to find your name.
gravity to find your name. >> That makes sense. But I feel like in the
>> That makes sense. But I feel like in the movies it's always the other way around.
movies it's always the other way around. >> Yeah, recurves are different.
>> Yeah, recurves are different. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> And usually in movies it's recurves, but
>> And usually in movies it's recurves, but with compounds Yeah. I And you always
with compounds Yeah. I And you always want to do a push and pull movement.
want to do a push and pull movement. >> Okay. So, you're going to push with your
>> Okay. So, you're going to push with your left hand and you'll pull with your
left hand and you'll pull with your right hand
right hand >> and let them work together.
>> and let them work together. >> And with that, you'll notice it's a lot
>> And with that, you'll notice it's a lot easier to pull a bow back than you just
easier to pull a bow back than you just focusing on pulling a bow back. You want
focusing on pulling a bow back. You want to do a push and pull movement. And
to do a push and pull movement. And don't arch your back either, cuz
don't arch your back either, cuz >> Oh, boy.
>> Oh, boy. >> that causes back issues. Yeah.
>> that causes back issues. Yeah. >> But,
>> But, >> okay. So, push push left, pull right.
>> okay. So, push push left, pull right. >> Yes.
>> Yes. >> Perfect. Okay.
>> Perfect. Okay. >> And your feet are parallel apart from
>> And your feet are parallel apart from each other.
each other. >> All right. Yeah.
>> All right. Yeah. >> And yeah, just kind of keep the bow at
>> And yeah, just kind of keep the bow at your body at first and then when you're
your body at first and then when you're ready to pull back, you push with the
ready to pull back, you push with the left at the same time pulling. And
left at the same time pulling. And you'll be surprised when you hit the
you'll be surprised when you hit the wall, which I don't know if I explained
wall, which I don't know if I explained that either yet.
that either yet. >> No, not yet. We haven't gotten there. We
>> No, not yet. We haven't gotten there. We But you know, I don't even have a bow
But you know, I don't even have a bow yet, so
yet, so let's start with that, I guess. But I I
let's start with that, I guess. But I I you know, something just jumped into my
you know, something just jumped into my head and you kind of talked about it,
head and you kind of talked about it, but your uncle taught you about a
but your uncle taught you about a motorcycle, right? you.
motorcycle, right? you. >> Yep, he did.
>> Yep, he did. >> And she wouldn't tell me any details,
>> And she wouldn't tell me any details, but she did mention you had a funny
but she did mention you had a funny story about and you would tell me.
story about and you would tell me. >> Oh, yeah. So, we decided that I guess
>> Oh, yeah. So, we decided that I guess Jess decided that she wanted to be a
Jess decided that she wanted to be a dirt bike racer like her uncle.
dirt bike racer like her uncle. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, we went to Chaparel and we
>> Yeah. So, we went to Chaparel and we went and got a a 230 and a 150. And
went and got a a 230 and a 150. And obviously the 150 was going to be my
obviously the 150 was going to be my bike. I was little Jess.
bike. I was little Jess. >> Yeah. I love it. And I was on the on the
>> Yeah. I love it. And I was on the on the bike and I I'm trying to learn throttle
bike and I I'm trying to learn throttle control. I'm trying to learn all of the
control. I'm trying to learn all of the things about these stupid death traps
things about these stupid death traps that bikes.
that bikes. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> And I'm kind of balls to the wall. So I
>> And I'm kind of balls to the wall. So I just I take off. I get it out of first
just I take off. I get it out of first gear and I'm like, "All right, I did the
gear and I'm like, "All right, I did the hard part, which is getting going."
hard part, which is getting going." >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> And so now I'm just cruising.
>> And so now I'm just cruising. And anyone who knows dirt bikes and how
And anyone who knows dirt bikes and how they first started dirt bikes, it's very
they first started dirt bikes, it's very intimidating trying to stop a dirt bike.
intimidating trying to stop a dirt bike. >> Oh, yeah.
>> Oh, yeah. >> And so I was going mock Jesus down the
>> And so I was going mock Jesus down the road and
road and >> here comes a a fence
>> here comes a a fence >> in front of me and I have to turn right
>> in front of me and I have to turn right >> and I got wobbly. I got the death
>> and I got wobbly. I got the death wobbles for sure. But I saved myself and
wobbles for sure. But I saved myself and I
I >> slowed down but not enough to turn and I
>> slowed down but not enough to turn and I rammed straight into that fence. But
rammed straight into that fence. But somehow I was
somehow I was >> I was able to go underneath. It was a
>> I was able to go underneath. It was a big chain link fence and I went
big chain link fence and I went underneath the fence but the dirt bike
underneath the fence but the dirt bike kept going.
kept going. >> Oh jeez.
>> Oh jeez. >> Just kept Yeah. The dirt bike rode
>> Just kept Yeah. The dirt bike rode itself. It just kept going.
itself. It just kept going. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> And I was stuck underneath the fence
>> And I was stuck underneath the fence just laying there.
just laying there. >> Oh my gosh. So half of my body was on
>> Oh my gosh. So half of my body was on one side of this property and my dirt
one side of this property and my dirt bike was on their property and then my
bike was on their property and then my other half was on the road
other half was on the road >> and I'm just stuck under the fence and
>> and I'm just stuck under the fence and it was quite comical honestly.
it was quite comical honestly. >> Okay. Well, you know what? At least you
>> Okay. Well, you know what? At least you can say that. I'll take
can say that. I'll take >> Yeah, it was funny cuz I again just went
>> Yeah, it was funny cuz I again just went and grabbed the bike, got back on again
and grabbed the bike, got back on again cuz
cuz >> you don't quit.
>> you don't quit. >> Hurrah. So in this regards about Harry
>> Hurrah. So in this regards about Harry the mentor, Harry the teacher, Harry the
the mentor, Harry the teacher, Harry the guide, Harry the uncle who cared enough
guide, Harry the uncle who cared enough as he taught you new things, what was it
as he taught you new things, what was it like to learn from him?
like to learn from him? >> Well, honestly sometimes it was hard to
>> Well, honestly sometimes it was hard to take him seriously.
take him seriously. >> Okay. Sure.
>> Okay. Sure. >> But being who he was and growing up I
>> But being who he was and growing up I didn't really realize
didn't really realize who he was to me. He was just he was my
who he was to me. He was just he was my uncle. He was Mount Baldi. He was Mr.
uncle. He was Mount Baldi. He was Mr. King. Um
King. Um >> and those were the nicknames I gave him.
>> and those were the nicknames I gave him. And
And >> yeah, I just to me he was just my uncle
>> yeah, I just to me he was just my uncle and I looked up to him and not really
and I looked up to him and not really knowing who he truly was.
knowing who he truly was. >> And so at times it was hard to take him
>> And so at times it was hard to take him serious. But
serious. But >> you know, now looking back into the
>> you know, now looking back into the things that he taught me and the life
things that he taught me and the life lessons that
lessons that >> I learned from him and with him not
>> I learned from him and with him not being here anymore, I take those to
being here anymore, I take those to heart and I hold them close to me cuz
heart and I hold them close to me cuz they're pretty big life lessons that I
they're pretty big life lessons that I use every day.
use every day. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> And in my world, not the BMX world, but
>> And in my world, not the BMX world, but far as even being a mom, too. So, I
far as even being a mom, too. So, I don't know if that answered your
don't know if that answered your question.
question. >> I think it does. It's actually Okay. It
>> I think it does. It's actually Okay. It was that was a great response.
was that was a great response. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you. >> And any teacher wants their lessons to
>> And any teacher wants their lessons to be taken with them in their passing,
be taken with them in their passing, right? And so it's a wonderful thing. So
right? And so it's a wonderful thing. So I guess the next step is this knocking.
I guess the next step is this knocking. I've heard about knocking the arrow.
I've heard about knocking the arrow. What is a knock? Can you kind of explain
What is a knock? Can you kind of explain that to me real quick?
that to me real quick? >> Yeah. So the knock is the little piece
>> Yeah. So the knock is the little piece at the end of an arrow, the back side of
at the end of an arrow, the back side of an arrow. That is the part that goes on
an arrow. That is the part that goes on the string in between your dloop. So the
the string in between your dloop. So the dloop is what you use to pull back the
dloop is what you use to pull back the bow.
bow. >> And the knock is what pinches
>> And the knock is what pinches >> not pinches, but it's what puts the
>> not pinches, but it's what puts the arrow on the string.
arrow on the string. >> So um I'm going to I guess clip it in
>> So um I'm going to I guess clip it in onto the string and then just kind of
onto the string and then just kind of like this. How does that look?
like this. How does that look? That looks great. Just like that. So,
That looks great. Just like that. So, you want to hear that little click.
you want to hear that little click. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> So, there's a little click. I don't know
>> So, there's a little click. I don't know if you heard it, but when you knock an
if you heard it, but when you knock an arrow, that's when someone's talking
arrow, that's when someone's talking about knocking an arrow. You put the
about knocking an arrow. You put the arrow on the string and you hear a click
arrow on the string and you hear a click and you know that the arrow is knocked
and you know that the arrow is knocked and ready to be fired.
and ready to be fired. >> Okay. All right. Well, uh, does this
>> Okay. All right. Well, uh, does this look about right then?
look about right then? >> That looks perfect. Absolutely perfect.
>> That looks perfect. Absolutely perfect. And there's there's different types of
And there's there's different types of knocks, too. So you have knocks that
knocks, too. So you have knocks that just like the one you have. It doesn't
just like the one you have. It doesn't light up or anything. There's nothing
light up or anything. There's nothing nothing special to it. But then you also
nothing special to it. But then you also have knocks that after you shoot when it
have knocks that after you shoot when it releases it lights up. So it's like a
releases it lights up. So it's like a tracer, a bullet tracer. So you can see
tracer, a bullet tracer. So you can see the arrow flight. It's like a big light.
the arrow flight. It's like a big light. And in a hunting scenario, those are
And in a hunting scenario, those are beneficial because you can see your shot
beneficial because you can see your shot placement on a deer or an elk. They make
placement on a deer or an elk. They make really cool videos, too.
really cool videos, too. >> W
>> W That would be cool. I love it. So I
That would be cool. I love it. So I guess what's I just draw back, right?
guess what's I just draw back, right? >> Yep.
>> Yep. >> I with my left I push. With my right I
>> I with my left I push. With my right I pull.
pull. >> Yes.
>> Yes. >> Perfect. And All right. Here we go.
>> Perfect. And All right. Here we go. All right. How's everything look? Does
All right. How's everything look? Does my hand look a little tight? It feels Am
my hand look a little tight? It feels Am I holding it too tight? I feel like I'm
I holding it too tight? I feel like I'm holding it too tight.
holding it too tight. >> Yeah. So when you're in full draw like
>> Yeah. So when you're in full draw like this, you feel the wall. So when I talk
this, you feel the wall. So when I talk about that wall, it's like when you pull
about that wall, it's like when you pull back, you feel the tension, you feel
back, you feel the tension, you feel that poundage, and then all of a sudden
that poundage, and then all of a sudden everything relaxes.
everything relaxes. >> And so that is the let off of a bow.
>> And so that is the let off of a bow. That way you can hold full draw as long
That way you can hold full draw as long as you can. So you actually there's bows
as you can. So you actually there's bows that have 80% let off up to 95% let off.
that have 80% let off up to 95% let off. >> Um that way you're not holding 80 lbs of
>> Um that way you're not holding 80 lbs of tension in full draw. So that's a
tension in full draw. So that's a benefit of compound bows. Yeah.
benefit of compound bows. Yeah. >> Okay, cool. minute. Uh, as far as I
>> Okay, cool. minute. Uh, as far as I don't know how do I anchor this? Where
don't know how do I anchor this? Where do I So, am I where how do I anchor
do I So, am I where how do I anchor this?
this? >> Okay. So, my mentor taught me you have a
>> Okay. So, my mentor taught me you have a kisser nose peep.
kisser nose peep. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> So, you have your kisser on the string
>> So, you have your kisser on the string and that goes on the corner of your
and that goes on the corner of your mouth.
mouth. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> And then once you get the kisser on your
>> And then once you get the kisser on your mouth, you put your nose on the string.
mouth, you put your nose on the string. And don't be afraid to put your nose on
And don't be afraid to put your nose on the string.
the string. >> It's not going to hurt you.
>> It's not going to hurt you. >> Yeah. So,
>> Yeah. So, >> you want the string to line up on your
>> you want the string to line up on your face.
face. So have it be touching your face
So have it be touching your face >> and then that way you can see straight
>> and then that way you can see straight through the peep when you're shooting.
through the peep when you're shooting. You want the same anchor point every
You want the same anchor point every single time so your shots are exactly
single time so your shots are exactly the same every single time because if
the same every single time because if you have a different anchor point that
you have a different anchor point that means every shot's going to be
means every shot's going to be different. So that's why you have a
different. So that's why you have a kisser.
kisser. >> Put your nose on the string and you look
>> Put your nose on the string and you look through the peep and it'll be the same
through the peep and it'll be the same every time.
every time. >> Okay. And this is getting a little
>> Okay. And this is getting a little tight. If I want to kind of just put it
tight. If I want to kind of just put it down for a second, like if I want to not
down for a second, like if I want to not shoot the arrow, but give my arm a rest
shoot the arrow, but give my arm a rest for a second. Is that possible or do I
for a second. Is that possible or do I have to shoot? Shoot.
have to shoot? Shoot. >> I would recommend shooting.
>> I would recommend shooting. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> Because letting in on a bow with heavy
>> Because letting in on a bow with heavy poundage.
poundage. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> If you're not I don't want to say
>> If you're not I don't want to say skilled, but if you're not, what's the
skilled, but if you're not, what's the word I'm looking for?
word I'm looking for? >> Um,
>> Um, >> experienced.
>> experienced. >> Thank you. There you go. It's an e word.
>> Thank you. There you go. It's an e word. Yeah.
Yeah. If you're not experienced enough, you
If you're not experienced enough, you letting in. You can risk what I said
letting in. You can risk what I said earlier, knocking the string off the can
earlier, knocking the string off the can >> if you don't let in cuz you need to let
>> if you don't let in cuz you need to let in completely straight like you did when
in completely straight like you did when you pulled back.
you pulled back. >> And a lot of people can accidentally dry
>> And a lot of people can accidentally dry fire that way as well. So, it's best
fire that way as well. So, it's best just if you want to relax, just shoot
just if you want to relax, just shoot it.
it. >> Okay. All right. Well, I guess I need to
>> Okay. All right. Well, I guess I need to learn how to aim it. So, any
learn how to aim it. So, any recommendations there? Look through the
recommendations there? Look through the peep.
peep. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> And make sure your bow is completely
>> And make sure your bow is completely level. So the level A lot of people
level. So the level A lot of people don't focus on the the bubble on your
don't focus on the the bubble on your site.
site. >> Uhhuh.
>> Uhhuh. >> But you got to make sure that bubble is
>> But you got to make sure that bubble is level cuz if it's not level, you're
level cuz if it's not level, you're going to be shooting left and right and
going to be shooting left and right and your shots are going to be all over the
your shots are going to be all over the place. So you want to make sure that
place. So you want to make sure that bubble is level.
bubble is level. >> Okay. Got it. And
>> Okay. Got it. And >> and then get that pin exactly where you
>> and then get that pin exactly where you want to hit. And like I said, don't
want to hit. And like I said, don't anticipate the shot. Keep the tension on
anticipate the shot. Keep the tension on the bow. So don't relax. So act like you
the bow. So don't relax. So act like you are drawing back your bow and your
are drawing back your bow and your muscles are still contracted.
muscles are still contracted. >> And then when you have your finger on
>> And then when you have your finger on the trigger, pull through it. Don't
the trigger, pull through it. Don't press the trigger. You want to pull
press the trigger. You want to pull through the trigger because all your
through the trigger because all your back muscles are still contracted.
back muscles are still contracted. >> Pull through the trigger. Okay. Pull
>> Pull through the trigger. Okay. Pull through the trigger. Okay.
through the trigger. Okay. >> Okay. I'm going to give this a shot. me
>> Okay. I'm going to give this a shot. me kind of
kind of >> and make sure your hand your left hand
>> and make sure your hand your left hand that's holding the bow
that's holding the bow >> Mhm.
>> Mhm. >> don't grip that bow cuz you can torque
>> don't grip that bow cuz you can torque it.
it. >> Oh,
>> Oh, >> and that
>> and that >> Yeah, I feel like it's a little It's
>> Yeah, I feel like it's a little It's still It feels a little tight. So, all
still It feels a little tight. So, all right. I'll get I guess I'll learn.
right. I'll get I guess I'll learn. >> Yeah, this is a sketchy one for people
>> Yeah, this is a sketchy one for people to learn. I'll actually tap your hand if
to learn. I'll actually tap your hand if it's too tight.
it's too tight. >> But essentially, you want the bow to
>> But essentially, you want the bow to just be on your thumb bone,
just be on your thumb bone, >> okay? and just relax every single
>> okay? and just relax every single finger. You're not gripping that bow. I
finger. You're not gripping that bow. I don't grip the bow at all at all. I My
don't grip the bow at all at all. I My fingers are wide open when I'm holding
fingers are wide open when I'm holding my bow in full draw. But make sure you
my bow in full draw. But make sure you don't shoot your finger cuz that would
don't shoot your finger cuz that would suck.
suck. >> Oh boy. All right. Uh All right. Here we
>> Oh boy. All right. Uh All right. Here we go. Here we go. All right. Let me take a
go. Here we go. All right. Let me take a deep
deep take a breath. It's not as scary as you
take a breath. It's not as scary as you think.
Hey, look at that. There it is. Right. >> Holy crap. That was fun. No, it was that
>> Holy crap. That was fun. No, it was that was cool.
was cool. >> You see why I'm obsessed with it?
>> You see why I'm obsessed with it? >> Yeah. Oh my go All right. I'm We're
>> Yeah. Oh my go All right. I'm We're going to have to make a shopping trip
going to have to make a shopping trip soon.
soon. >> Yep. And then you'll start shooting more
>> Yep. And then you'll start shooting more and more and more and then you get
and more and more and then you get obsessed with it. And then you start
obsessed with it. And then you start hunting and you get obsessed even more.
hunting and you get obsessed even more. >> Well, I was telling my buddy I think my
>> Well, I was telling my buddy I think my downstairs is big enough for me to have
downstairs is big enough for me to have kind of a an archery range down there.
kind of a an archery range down there. So, I don't know if we might just make
So, I don't know if we might just make an indoor one. So, we'll see.
an indoor one. So, we'll see. >> Honestly, that's nice because going
>> Honestly, that's nice because going outside in the winter of Utah is
outside in the winter of Utah is absolutely freezing, but you got to do
absolutely freezing, but you got to do it.
it. >> Yeah, I can imagine. Bill, we're 18°
>> Yeah, I can imagine. Bill, we're 18° here right now, I think. So,
here right now, I think. So, >> okay, you win.
>> okay, you win. >> Yeah,
>> Yeah, but still. I I I have an aunt in Utah
but still. I I I have an aunt in Utah and I understand.
and I understand. >> Yeah, you definitely win that one.
>> Yeah, you definitely win that one. >> Well, that was awesome. Thank you. And
>> Well, that was awesome. Thank you. And you were an amazing teacher. I do have I
you were an amazing teacher. I do have I guess as I move forward with my archery
guess as I move forward with my archery practice,
practice, are there any tips that I should walk
are there any tips that I should walk away with
away with regarding practicing and getting better
regarding practicing and getting better and enhancing my skills other than just
and enhancing my skills other than just practicing and challenging myself?
practicing and challenging myself? >> Yeah, when it comes to archery, it's
>> Yeah, when it comes to archery, it's it's a very repetitive sport. So the
it's a very repetitive sport. So the more you shoot, a lot of people will
more you shoot, a lot of people will just grab a bow, shoot, and once a year
just grab a bow, shoot, and once a year and that's it. Archery is something I
and that's it. Archery is something I know you said other than practicing, but
know you said other than practicing, but my motto is shoot straight or shoot a
my motto is shoot straight or shoot a lot. I mean,
lot. I mean, >> if you want to shoot straight, you're
>> if you want to shoot straight, you're going to have to shoot a lot.
going to have to shoot a lot. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> And so you want to create that muscle
>> And so you want to create that muscle memory when it comes to archery. And
memory when it comes to archery. And just it's it's all about the reps you
just it's it's all about the reps you put in and the time you put in. And the
put in and the time you put in. And the more you shoot, the safer it becomes. So
more you shoot, the safer it becomes. So your muscles will start to get muscle
your muscles will start to get muscle memory. You'll start to get where your
memory. You'll start to get where your anchor point is. And a big thing is
anchor point is. And a big thing is knowledge of your bow.
knowledge of your bow. >> Make sure you know the ins and outs of
>> Make sure you know the ins and outs of your bow, your release, your arrows. And
your bow, your release, your arrows. And if you have knowledge of your setup,
if you have knowledge of your setup, there's less room for air or dry firing
there's less room for air or dry firing or anything like that. And remember, do
or anything like that. And remember, do not pull a bow back without an arrow.
not pull a bow back without an arrow. >> I'm glad you told me that. That all
>> I'm glad you told me that. That all makes total sense. That was awesome. I
makes total sense. That was awesome. I just a couple more questions if you
just a couple more questions if you don't mind, cuz I got a little game I
don't mind, cuz I got a little game I like to play. Uh, and I'm hoping you'd
like to play. Uh, and I'm hoping you'd be down. And I I call it one word
be down. And I I call it one word because really it's just one word.
because really it's just one word. Except I'm actually going to ask you a
Except I'm actually going to ask you a couple from different perspectives.
couple from different perspectives. But are you down?
But are you down? >> I'm always down to play a game.
>> I'm always down to play a game. >> Heck yeah. Let's do it. All right. So,
>> Heck yeah. Let's do it. All right. So, one word for however you want to
one word for however you want to describe your uncle as your uncle,
describe your uncle as your uncle, right? Not Harry Liry, the BMX guy or
right? Not Harry Liry, the BMX guy or the cycling guy or whatever, right? Just
the cycling guy or whatever, right? Just your uncle. Uncle.
>> Okay. It's really funny, but one word when you asked that did
but one word when you asked that did come to mind.
come to mind. >> Oh boy. Yeah.
>> Oh boy. Yeah. >> And all I can think of is bald.
>> And >> he's probably just looking down right
>> he's probably just looking down right now just calling me a dumbass or a
now just calling me a dumbass or a blonde or something. But I literally I
blonde or something. But I literally I just
just >> all I can think of is bald. And it's not
>> all I can think of is bald. And it's not just cuz he's bald. I mean, obviously
just cuz he's bald. I mean, obviously that helps, but
that helps, but >> our relationship, first thing we'd ever
>> our relationship, first thing we'd ever say to each other every time we'd see
say to each other every time we'd see each other
each other >> was, "I just make fun of how he had no
>> was, "I just make fun of how he had no hair." And that was our relationship was
hair." And that was our relationship was just him and I going back and forth on
just him and I going back and forth on >> how bald he was. So, I
>> how bald he was. So, I >> I love it.
>> I love it. >> I just think of bald.
>> I just think of bald. >> All right. No, I'll take it all day
>> All right. No, I'll take it all day long.
long. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> And you do have insight into his career.
>> And you do have insight into his career. And I kind of want to ask from your
And I kind of want to ask from your perspective,
perspective, one word for your uncle, Harry Liry, the
one word for your uncle, Harry Liry, the BMX legend that Yeah, the BMX legend.
BMX legend that Yeah, the BMX legend. >> One word
>> One word for him as a BMX legend.
for him as a BMX legend. Oh man,
Oh man, I would I would say attitude.
I would I would say attitude. >> Okay, I love it. How so?
>> Okay, I love it. How so? >> Yeah. people who knew him, they and the
>> Yeah. people who knew him, they and the people who know him and are listening to
people who know him and are listening to this, they'll probably agree with me,
this, they'll probably agree with me, but he
but he >> Oh, man. Or attitude slash I guess this
>> Oh, man. Or attitude slash I guess this is two words cuz I'm putting a slash in,
is two words cuz I'm putting a slash in, but I'd say anger.
but I'd say anger. >> Oh, okay. Yeah. Is there a specific
>> Oh, okay. Yeah. Is there a specific incident about anger that comes to mind
incident about anger that comes to mind or is it just kind of in general? I
or is it just kind of in general? I mean, just this recent one, it was a
mean, just this recent one, it was a recent race where he didn't win and he
recent race where he didn't win and he got cut off that he got so mad. He threw
got cut off that he got so mad. He threw his bike at the finish line and
his bike at the finish line and >> just started screaming at this guy and
>> just started screaming at this guy and the guy who won and he had anger and he
the guy who won and he had anger and he had an attitude when it came to his
had an attitude when it came to his sport. But I think
sport. But I think >> that is what fueled him to be so good at
>> that is what fueled him to be so good at what he did is he used his attitude and
what he did is he used his attitude and anger to to win to to be the best. He
anger to to win to to be the best. He did not like losing. So
did not like losing. So >> no no he he did not he did not um and I
>> no no he he did not he did not um and I think that's pretty kind of well known
think that's pretty kind of well known and he did get himself into some trouble
and he did get himself into some trouble from time to time because of his anger.
from time to time because of his anger. Unfortunately, that set a mindset in
Unfortunately, that set a mindset in many people that has affected his
many people that has affected his legacy.
legacy. >> Yeah. And those people know him as Harry
>> Yeah. And those people know him as Harry Liry, Turbo, the BMX legend, but they
Liry, Turbo, the BMX legend, but they don't know him as family or my uncle
don't know him as family or my uncle where he had a soft side. He loved his
where he had a soft side. He loved his family, loved me, loved his sister,
family, loved me, loved his sister, loved messing around and kidding around
loved messing around and kidding around and smiling. him. Boy, did he love his
and smiling. him. Boy, did he love his dogs.
dogs. >> Yeah, I've heard. I love it.
>> Yeah, I've heard. I love it. >> He had a big heart. But in the BMX
>> He had a big heart. But in the BMX world, if he's using that anger and
world, if he's using that anger and attitude as fuel, that's what most
attitude as fuel, that's what most people are going to see. But that wasn't
people are going to see. But that wasn't everything of who he was. He was so much
everything of who he was. He was so much more than than that.
more than than that. >> Yeah. I've learned because I've taken
>> Yeah. I've learned because I've taken the time to learn. And it's
the time to learn. And it's you can learn a lot from Harry Larry.
you can learn a lot from Harry Larry. I'll say that.
I'll say that. You absolutely can. I know I have.
You absolutely can. I know I have. >> Yeah. And I actually came up with a new
>> Yeah. And I actually came up with a new game just for you.
game just for you. >> I'm excited.
>> I'm excited. >> Yeah. I've never played with anybody. I
>> Yeah. I've never played with anybody. I I don't know who else I would play it
I don't know who else I would play it with, but most uncles and nieces or
with, but most uncles and nieces or nephews have a secret. And I know you
nephews have a secret. And I know you guys have a connection.
guys have a connection. Would you be willing to share one secret
Would you be willing to share one secret that you shared with your uncle? H I
that you shared with your uncle? H I mean that is a deep question.
mean that is a deep question. >> No. Is it perfectly okay response by the
>> No. Is it perfectly okay response by the way?
way? >> It's a response that requires
>> It's a response that requires a thought process.
a thought process. To answer your question, there is
To answer your question, there is >> one thing that does come to mind.
>> one thing that does come to mind. >> It was actually one of the
>> It was actually one of the >> the last times my uncle and I talked.
>> the last times my uncle and I talked. >> We talked for 4 hours on the phone.
>> We talked for 4 hours on the phone. >> Oh wow. and we really opened up to each
>> Oh wow. and we really opened up to each other about our lives and what we went
other about our lives and what we went through and what we were going through.
through and what we were going through. And he was going through
And he was going through some
some issues with drug addiction and
issues with drug addiction and going through issues with his love life.
going through issues with his love life. And I was in the middle of a divorce and
And I was in the middle of a divorce and mistakes that I've made in my in my
mistakes that I've made in my in my life. And
life. And I guess it wasn't one specific secret,
I guess it wasn't one specific secret, but the conversation, that conversation
but the conversation, that conversation of being so vulnerable with each other
of being so vulnerable with each other on
on our lives of mistakes and him just
our lives of mistakes and him just openly telling me about his mistakes and
openly telling me about his mistakes and the use of drugs and how it affected him
the use of drugs and how it affected him and how he was working on being better
and how he was working on being better and how he was doing so Well,
and how he was doing so Well, >> yeah.
>> yeah. >> And me opening up about my divorce and
>> And me opening up about my divorce and how
how low and close I was to rock bottom.
low and close I was to rock bottom. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> It was between him and I, not
>> It was between him and I, not necessarily a secret, but a
necessarily a secret, but a vulnerability that him and I shared
vulnerability that him and I shared together. I'd have to say that was one
together. I'd have to say that was one of the the biggest ones that I hold dear
of the the biggest ones that I hold dear to my heart. It was one of our last
to my heart. It was one of our last conversations and yet one of the most
conversations and yet one of the most important conversations.
important conversations. So
So >> yeah, I I appreciate you sharing that.
>> yeah, I I appreciate you sharing that. And I mean to be honest, I am a big fan
And I mean to be honest, I am a big fan of redemption and that is a big drive of
of redemption and that is a big drive of mine. I mean, I have seven years of
mine. I mean, I have seven years of sobriety
sobriety and quitting drinking was easy for me.
and quitting drinking was easy for me. It wasn't easy, but it was easy overall
It wasn't easy, but it was easy overall because
because I was self-medicating
I was self-medicating to cover bipolar and nobody knew I was
to cover bipolar and nobody knew I was bipolar, right? It until it was kind of
bipolar, right? It until it was kind of too late. It was a welcome to a new
too late. It was a welcome to a new world for Kyle. I did a lot of things
world for Kyle. I did a lot of things that I am ashamed of due to mental
that I am ashamed of due to mental health and alcohol. And I'm really
health and alcohol. And I'm really coming out of barely coming out of kind
coming out of barely coming out of kind of seven years of
of seven years of selfisolation
selfisolation to
to >> learn how to be a human being again.
>> learn how to be a human being again. >> Okay. Congrats on seven years cuz
>> Okay. Congrats on seven years cuz >> I know from experience, not experience
>> I know from experience, not experience personally.
personally. >> Sure. But from watching my family, my
>> Sure. But from watching my family, my uncle going through what he went through
uncle going through what he went through and fighting what he thought, beating
and fighting what he thought, beating addiction is one of the hardest things
addiction is one of the hardest things you can do in my book. So
you can do in my book. So >> yeah, I was Yeah. [ __ ] yeah. God is
>> yeah, I was Yeah. [ __ ] yeah. God is good.
good. >> I'm happy for you.
>> I'm happy for you. >> Proud of you. I'm proud of you.
>> Proud of you. I'm proud of you. >> But Ann, what did you think of the
>> But Ann, what did you think of the lesson? Yeah.
lesson? Yeah. I I I need more practice. Okay. Yes. I
I I I need more practice. Okay. Yes. I I'll probably
I'll probably >> I think you did pretty good.
>> I think you did pretty good. >> Yeah, I appreciate.
>> Yeah, I appreciate. >> And pretty soon we'll get her a bow,
>> And pretty soon we'll get her a bow, too, cuz they make little bows for
too, cuz they make little bows for little people.
little people. >> What year? Like at what age or so?
>> What year? Like at what age or so? >> So, my daughter's seven and she shoots
>> So, my daughter's seven and she shoots her bow. And I just taught a lesson to a
her bow. And I just taught a lesson to a four-year-old. So,
four-year-old. So, >> what's cool about bows, too, is it's
>> what's cool about bows, too, is it's family oriented. So, there's 3D archery
family oriented. So, there's 3D archery events that you can go out to with your
events that you can go out to with your family.
family. >> Uhhuh. and go out walking and hiking in
>> Uhhuh. and go out walking and hiking in the mountains shooting 3D targets,
the mountains shooting 3D targets, having fun, hanging out with good
having fun, hanging out with good people, cuz all the people at these 3D
people, cuz all the people at these 3D events, they're there to shoot bows, and
events, they're there to shoot bows, and you all have it in common, and they're
you all have it in common, and they're great people. The archery industry, it's
great people. The archery industry, it's a fun industry. It's it's a small
a fun industry. It's it's a small industry, but it is it's a family for
industry, but it is it's a family for sure.
sure. >> I love it. Well, I think you've added a
>> I love it. Well, I think you've added a new fan. The big hesitation before is I
new fan. The big hesitation before is I didn't know enough, I think, and now I
didn't know enough, I think, and now I feel I know enough to at least be a
feel I know enough to at least be a little more educated and I appreciate
little more educated and I appreciate that.
that. >> Yeah. Have a little bit less fear of the
>> Yeah. Have a little bit less fear of the bow.
bow. >> But anyways, we're going to we got to
>> But anyways, we're going to we got to get going and I appreciate the lesson.
get going and I appreciate the lesson. What you mentioned before potentially
What you mentioned before potentially hooking up at some point in the future
hooking up at some point in the future to buy one or do kind of an equipment
to buy one or do kind of an equipment purchase. I would feel way more
purchase. I would feel way more comfortable with your professional
comfortable with your professional expertise.
expertise. >> I can definitely handle that. My
>> I can definitely handle that. My suggestion is to go and we will shoot a
suggestion is to go and we will shoot a bunch of different bows because each bow
bunch of different bows because each bow is going to feel different to you. The
is going to feel different to you. The way the grip is, the way the weight is,
way the grip is, the way the weight is, >> the size of the riser, they're all
>> the size of the riser, they're all different. So, you got to shoot every
different. So, you got to shoot every bow
bow >> and then you choose your favorite.
>> and then you choose your favorite. >> Okay. That's okay. All right. See, I got
>> Okay. That's okay. All right. See, I got to learn. I always just I I know I got
to learn. I always just I I know I got to get that out of my head, right? I
to get that out of my head, right? I just can't go pick one off yourself at
just can't go pick one off yourself at Walmart, right? So,
Walmart, right? So, >> they're expensive. You want to be sure
>> they're expensive. You want to be sure what you're purchasing.
what you're purchasing. >> Sure, that makes sense. Well, hey,
>> Sure, that makes sense. Well, hey, that's awesome. And I look forward to
that's awesome. And I look forward to going shopping with you. You enjoy the
going shopping with you. You enjoy the rest of your day. I'm not sure if you
rest of your day. I'm not sure if you have any more lessons lined up or not,
have any more lessons lined up or not, but this was awesome. Thank you.
but this was awesome. Thank you. >> Yeah, no problem. Hey, thank you so much
>> Yeah, no problem. Hey, thank you so much for coming out and letting me share my
for coming out and letting me share my passion and letting me talk about my
passion and letting me talk about my uncle cuz he was he was awesome but also
uncle cuz he was he was awesome but also a dumbass. So, I don't know if I said
a dumbass. So, I don't know if I said that yet.
that yet. >> You have. And did you know that that was
>> You have. And did you know that that was the word? I think I might have said
the word? I think I might have said that. That that was the word your mom
that. That that was the word your mom used for him twice. So, when I asked her
used for him twice. So, when I asked her for one word, she the first time I
for one word, she the first time I recorded with her, she used the word
recorded with her, she used the word dumbass and the second time she
dumbass and the second time she confirmed that.
confirmed that. >> So, it's it's nice to hear that it's not
>> So, it's it's nice to hear that it's not just her opinion on that. that Harry L
just her opinion on that. that Harry L was a dumbass and his family.
was a dumbass and his family. >> He was a dumbass.
>> He was a dumbass. >> There you go.
>> There you go. >> Yes. But we love him.
>> Yes. But we love him. >> You do love him and I I love that you
>> You do love him and I I love that you guys love him. It It's amazing to see
guys love him. It It's amazing to see kind of behind the curtain and the the
kind of behind the curtain and the the love that the family does share.
love that the family does share. >> We're very close.
>> We're very close. >> Awesome.
>> Awesome. >> All right. Well, hey, you get out of
>> All right. Well, hey, you get out of here and you all take care. You take
here and you all take care. You take care and uh we'll we'll get together
care and uh we'll we'll get together soon to go shopping.
soon to go shopping. >> All right. Sounds like a plan, Stan. And
>> All right. Sounds like a plan, Stan. And bye bye.

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