Pump Track Chat Returns with Brandon Hetrick | Coleman Bike Park & Warwick Township

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2026-07-22

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Pump Track Chat returns with Brandon Hetrick for an inside look at the Coleman Bike Park build in Lebanon, Pennsylvania—and an update on the effort to bring a community pump track to Lititz and Warwick Township.

Brandon shares what it took to move the Coleman Memorial Park project forward, why community relationships matter, and what Lititz can learn from the people, planning, construction, and cooperation behind the finished park.

In this episode, Kyle A. Huffman and Brandon discuss:

• How the Coleman Bike Park project began
• Working with park boards, municipalities, builders, and community supporters
• Why finding the right person—and continuing to show up—can change a project
• Asphalt, concrete, and dirt pump-track construction
• Designing for bicycles, scooters, skateboards, families, and adaptive riders
• The memorial story connected to Coleman Bike Park
• The current Warwick Township pump-track process
• Possible locations and the township’s continuing feasibility review
• The potential for a future partnership involving Rock Lititz
• Why pump tracks can become lasting community and regional assets

The conversation also explores the difference between municipal and privately supported projects, lessons learned from successful and unsuccessful pump-track designs, and Brandon’s belief that Lititz and Warwick Township are moving in the right direction.

“Just keep showing up, and eventually you’ll change the world.”

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Hey, Brandon. Hey, man. Thanks for taking the time to jump on the call and
taking the time to jump on the call and uh say hi. How are you doing? Oh,
uh say hi. How are you doing? Oh, >> I'm great, Kyle. How are you doing?
>> I'm great, Kyle. How are you doing? >> Uh brother, I am blessed. Uh we've got a
>> Uh brother, I am blessed. Uh we've got a lot of things going on with it. It's BMX
lot of things going on with it. It's BMX right now. Um but more pertinent to our
right now. Um but more pertinent to our goals and conversation is an update on
goals and conversation is an update on where we're at from a Warwick Township
where we're at from a Warwick Township Litz pump perspective.
Litz pump perspective. And
And dude, I want to talk about Coleman Bike
dude, I want to talk about Coleman Bike Park. How freaking cool is that place?
Park. How freaking cool is that place? >> Oh man, that was a treat. That turned
>> Oh man, that was a treat. That turned out awesome. It was great to have all
out awesome. It was great to have all kind of creative control over all that.
kind of creative control over all that. We got so lucky, especially with Dylan
We got so lucky, especially with Dylan being able to come out and and assist me
being able to come out and and assist me with that. So, yeah.
with that. So, yeah. >> Yeah. And, you know,
>> Yeah. And, you know, >> such a high quality thing.
>> such a high quality thing. >> It It is. I was reflecting on this
>> It It is. I was reflecting on this earlier and
earlier and I
I I realized that I haven't done anything
I realized that I haven't done anything like that on a BMX bike since about
like that on a BMX bike since about 1993.
1993. >> That's awesome.
>> That's awesome. >> Yeah. So, so thank you for that. Right.
>> Yeah. So, so thank you for that. Right. I used to be a trail rider, etc. But um
I used to be a trail rider, etc. But um you know that's really kind of my first
you know that's really kind of my first introduction into what is not
introduction into what is not necessarily a pump track per se, but
necessarily a pump track per se, but into that atmosphere and kind of back in
into that atmosphere and kind of back in that single track
that single track uh groove for lack of a better word.
uh groove for lack of a better word. >> Oh yeah, that has that pump track has a
>> Oh yeah, that has that pump track has a classic feel. It's so good. Very unique
classic feel. It's so good. Very unique from other pump tracks. Most of them are
from other pump tracks. Most of them are kind of single lane BMX things, but this
kind of single lane BMX things, but this one has a very individual flow. Just
one has a very individual flow. Just good feeling all around. Very unique.
good feeling all around. Very unique. >> It does. And I I guess
>> It does. And I I guess we talked about how cool it is, but I
we talked about how cool it is, but I kind of have some questions because of
kind of have some questions because of what we're trying to do over here in
what we're trying to do over here in Warwick Township. Um,
Warwick Township. Um, and I was hoping you you wouldn't mind
and I was hoping you you wouldn't mind taking a few minutes to to address some
taking a few minutes to to address some of those.
of those. >> Oh, yeah.
>> Oh, yeah. >> Cool. Well, so can you share a little
>> Cool. Well, so can you share a little bit more about the building process from
bit more about the building process from Coleman Bike Park? Like how did the
Coleman Bike Park? Like how did the concept get started? How did you I'm
concept get started? How did you I'm assuming uh you approached Coleman Park
assuming uh you approached Coleman Park Board, they approached you. How did all
Board, they approached you. How did all of that work? Can you tell me a little
of that work? Can you tell me a little bit about the back end?
bit about the back end? >> Um
>> Um well, we had a great template to start.
well, we had a great template to start. Pullman Memorial Park pump tracks has
Pullman Memorial Park pump tracks has been kind of gaining traction for the
been kind of gaining traction for the past few years and I really think that
past few years and I really think that was the key to all of this to just kind
was the key to all of this to just kind of jump in and and say, "Hey, let's do
of jump in and and say, "Hey, let's do this. It would have been very hard in
this. It would have been very hard in Lebanon." Um, and then we had Dave Funk
Lebanon." Um, and then we had Dave Funk who is a cyclist himself. There is a
who is a cyclist himself. There is a two-mile uh mountain bike ring around
two-mile uh mountain bike ring around Coleman Park. Highly recommend it. It's
Coleman Park. Highly recommend it. It's just such a great Yeah, it's a hidden
just such a great Yeah, it's a hidden hidden gem, man. And it's a
hidden gem, man. And it's a >> Is that Funkin Suns? Is that anything to
>> Is that Funkin Suns? Is that anything to do with Funkinsons?
do with Funkinsons? >> That's Arthur Funkinsons. A lot of
>> That's Arthur Funkinsons. A lot of construction around Lancaster Lebanon
construction around Lancaster Lebanon area.
area. >> Yeah, I know that name.
>> Yeah, I know that name. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, he's a he's a mountain
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, he's a he's a mountain biker.
biker. >> Oh,
>> Oh, >> and he he is on the board of Coleman
>> and he he is on the board of Coleman Park and one day he was riding by on the
Park and one day he was riding by on the loop which goes right next to the pump
loop which goes right next to the pump track
track >> and we had a chance to meet and
>> and we had a chance to meet and that's where it all started. So, it was
that's where it all started. So, it was just kind of getting the right people in
just kind of getting the right people in the right place at the right time.
the right place at the right time. >> That is faking awesome. I had no idea.
>> That is faking awesome. I had no idea. I'm going to have to I have a whole new
I'm going to have to I have a whole new image in my head of of Arthur Funk and
image in my head of of Arthur Funk and Sons uh moving forward, I think.
Sons uh moving forward, I think. >> Yeah, they're amazing. They they donate
>> Yeah, they're amazing. They they donate him and his wife Lori donated most of
him and his wife Lori donated most of the money to that through personal and
the money to that through personal and their their organizations.
their their organizations. And um I think we're going to be doing
And um I think we're going to be doing some more work with Arthur Funk and Suns
some more work with Arthur Funk and Suns to get some more things built around the
to get some more things built around the area. So stay tuned for all that. And
area. So stay tuned for all that. And they're working on some media for the
they're working on some media for the Coleman Park pump track which will be
Coleman Park pump track which will be coming out any any day now. So hopefully
coming out any any day now. So hopefully this week and we'll all get a lot more
this week and we'll all get a lot more information about their their side of
information about their their side of the project and how they participated.
the project and how they participated. So I'm anxious to see that. I am too.
So I'm anxious to see that. I am too. >> For them and and I can't wait to to see
>> For them and and I can't wait to to see all this happen.
all this happen. >> That's way cool. Way cool. All right.
>> That's way cool. Way cool. All right. Well, yeah, I I look forward to I'm
Well, yeah, I I look forward to I'm assuming you'll share it and I'll
assuming you'll share it and I'll probably end up reposting it. Uh but
probably end up reposting it. Uh but yeah, looking forward,
yeah, looking forward, >> but I
>> but I >> I know that I think last time we talked
>> I know that I think last time we talked you had mentioned that there had been
you had mentioned that there had been some years of back and forth with the
some years of back and forth with the municipality. Um, I don't remember if
municipality. Um, I don't remember if that's county or if that's if that's uh
that's county or if that's if that's uh how that works, but I thought you had
how that works, but I thought you had mentioned there was some some back and
mentioned there was some some back and forth there. I if there was, can you
forth there. I if there was, can you explain a little bit about that? How
explain a little bit about that? How like that timeline?
like that timeline? >> Oh, for for years we were, you know,
>> Oh, for for years we were, you know, advocating the the asphalt pump track
advocating the the asphalt pump track and we just weren't advocating to the
and we just weren't advocating to the right person. Sometimes it just comes
right person. Sometimes it just comes down to knowing the right person,
down to knowing the right person, talking to the right person, asking the
talking to the right person, asking the right question and and that was really
right question and and that was really the issue. We were just unheard
the issue. We were just unheard by the the not necessarily the wrong
by the the not necessarily the wrong people, but not the right people.
people, but not the right people. >> Sure.
>> Sure. >> Okay. Good way to put it.
>> Okay. Good way to put it. >> That makes total sense. And uh honestly,
>> That makes total sense. And uh honestly, that sounds like a very reasonable and
that sounds like a very reasonable and responsible way of looking at that.
responsible way of looking at that. >> Yeah. And we have a unique situation in
>> Yeah. And we have a unique situation in Coleman Memorial Park. Um the actual
Coleman Memorial Park. Um the actual land that the pump track and the dog
land that the pump track and the dog park is on isn't technically a part of
park is on isn't technically a part of Coleman Memorial Park. It's [snorts]
Coleman Memorial Park. It's [snorts] it's the city and the city's responsible
it's the city and the city's responsible for
for >> there's some weird communication issues,
>> there's some weird communication issues, some liability issues, and some
some liability issues, and some insurance issues going on there that
insurance issues going on there that just kind of make things complicated.
just kind of make things complicated. just extra communications for
just extra communications for >> for no reason. But this pump track
>> for no reason. But this pump track really is helping that situation because
really is helping that situation because everybody together involved and we all
everybody together involved and we all talked as a as a group.
talked as a as a group. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> And tried to get just more
>> And tried to get just more responsibility.
responsibility. I mean, the city does the best they can
I mean, the city does the best they can to get up there and take care of it and
to get up there and take care of it and take care of the bathrooms, but it's
take care of the bathrooms, but it's just it just doesn't make sense
just it just doesn't make sense sometimes. And we're working on that.
sometimes. And we're working on that. [laughter]
[laughter] I love it. It's uh it's awesome. I I can
I love it. It's uh it's awesome. I I can tell you it is it is so much fun to ride
tell you it is it is so much fun to ride and it's something I I kind of laugh and
and it's something I I kind of laugh and cry all at the same time a little bit
cry all at the same time a little bit about kind of a situation that I I found
about kind of a situation that I I found out about with regards to pump tracks
out about with regards to pump tracks recently. Um, so I I'm not sure if you
recently. Um, so I I'm not sure if you saw, but uh Sugare posted about a pump
saw, but uh Sugare posted about a pump track that was quote unquote unridable.
track that was quote unquote unridable. >> Oh, which one was that?
>> Oh, which one was that? >> Uh, it's Livermore, California.
>> Uh, it's Livermore, California. >> Oo, who did that one?
>> Oo, who did that one? >> I don't know, but it's all concrete and
>> I don't know, but it's all concrete and apparently it's very steep. So, it's
apparently it's very steep. So, it's just there was video and after video
just there was video and after video after video of people just slamming
after video of people just slamming their heads into the concrete at this
their heads into the concrete at this thing, just trying to make, you know,
thing, just trying to make, you know, trying to go through a turn. So, it's uh
trying to go through a turn. So, it's uh I it's you should check that out. It was
I it's you should check that out. It was But the timing was interesting because I
But the timing was interesting because I had just uh you know, we're coming off
had just uh you know, we're coming off of Coleman
of Coleman and I had to go home recently back to
and I had to go home recently back to California and it was like like a day
California and it was like like a day before I went home. I saw it on Sugar
before I went home. I saw it on Sugar Cane and my mom texted me. She said,
Cane and my mom texted me. She said, "Hey, Livermore got a pump track." I
"Hey, Livermore got a pump track." I said, "I already know about it. It's
said, "I already know about it. It's being laughed at in New York right now."
being laughed at in New York right now." [laughter]
[laughter] >> Hey, Al's on it.
>> Hey, Al's on it. >> Yeah, man. He's awesome. And uh um so so
>> Yeah, man. He's awesome. And uh um so so when I got there, I there's a Pleasanton
when I got there, I there's a Pleasanton Weekly or Pleasanton Patch or something
Weekly or Pleasanton Patch or something like that local newspaper that they
like that local newspaper that they have, and it they were all sitting
have, and it they were all sitting there. There's a huge article of people
there. There's a huge article of people patting themselves on the back about,
patting themselves on the back about, you know, this this wonderful pump track
you know, this this wonderful pump track and I'm like, "Okay, I got I know
and I'm like, "Okay, I got I know nothing about it, but I could tell you
nothing about it, but I could tell you this. It's already getting clowned on."
this. It's already getting clowned on." Like, and I felt bad because it sucks,
Like, and I felt bad because it sucks, right? Because I, you know, I grew up in
right? Because I, you know, I grew up in Pleasanton and Livermore is where, you
Pleasanton and Livermore is where, you know, between Pleasanton and Livermore
know, between Pleasanton and Livermore is where I spent a lot of my time. And
is where I spent a lot of my time. And so to see Livermore get trashed that
so to see Livermore get trashed that bad, it was I mean, the timing was
bad, it was I mean, the timing was interesting, but it was just it kind of
interesting, but it was just it kind of sucked. But I don't know.
sucked. But I don't know. >> Yeah, it does. The the concrete pump
>> Yeah, it does. The the concrete pump tracks. I've visited a lot of them and
tracks. I've visited a lot of them and they all have that issue. I really think
they all have that issue. I really think they're designed for skateboards rather
they're designed for skateboards rather than bikes.
than bikes. >> Yeah. And I
>> Yeah. And I >> most of them are skateboarders that
>> most of them are skateboarders that build that concrete.
build that concrete. >> Yeah. And that's what concerns me is
>> Yeah. And that's what concerns me is that we're not building a skate park
that we're not building a skate park here. At least my goal is not the skate
here. At least my goal is not the skate park. It's a pump track. Um or or
park. It's a pump track. Um or or something like a bike park like is in
something like a bike park like is in Lebanon would be awesome, too. like it's
Lebanon would be awesome, too. like it's something like that. And after writing
something like that. And after writing Coleman,
Coleman, I am sold on the asphalt aspect of it.
I am sold on the asphalt aspect of it. Um,
Um, >> that's the way to go.
>> that's the way to go. >> Yeah, it really is. And I really, if I
>> Yeah, it really is. And I really, if I have if I, you know, I might get shushed
have if I, you know, I might get shushed away from the city, etc., etc., from
away from the city, etc., etc., from this project. Who knows? Um, but if I'm
this project. Who knows? Um, but if I'm not, I'm going to make darn sure I can
not, I'm going to make darn sure I can impress upon people, hey, we don't go to
impress upon people, hey, we don't go to a cement company for this cuz, okay, now
a cement company for this cuz, okay, now we have Liverour and then does anybody
we have Liverour and then does anybody remember Lancaster skate park, you know,
remember Lancaster skate park, you know, not too long ago. Well, I guess 20 years
not too long ago. Well, I guess 20 years ago or whatever it was now, but
ago or whatever it was now, but >> the big pool pipe one.
>> the big pool pipe one. >> Yeah, that fiasco with Tony Hawk, right?
>> Yeah, that fiasco with Tony Hawk, right? >> That's a disaster.
>> That's a disaster. >> Yeah. So, I don't want this project to
>> Yeah. So, I don't want this project to turn into a laughing stock like those
turn into a laughing stock like those have. Um, and and and unfortunately,
have. Um, and and and unfortunately, Livermore is hits home and um is close
Livermore is hits home and um is close at heart. So,
at heart. So, >> I I feel that for you, brother,
>> I I feel that for you, brother, [laughter] you got a connection to some
[laughter] you got a connection to some of the best asphalt builders you can
of the best asphalt builders you can find on this planet.
find on this planet. >> I love it. I love it. And and I know
>> I love it. I love it. And and I know that my family is big in the concrete
that my family is big in the concrete business. Um, so for that I I I
business. Um, so for that I I I apologize, but concrete is not the way
apologize, but concrete is not the way to go. Um, Conco, love you, but can't.
to go. Um, Conco, love you, but can't. >> I like the concrete. If they get it
>> I like the concrete. If they get it right, it's great. The The only problem
right, it's great. The The only problem with it is it's more expensive. It's
with it is it's more expensive. It's more labor intensive, and it needs
more labor intensive, and it needs maintenance. The maintenance is a lot
maintenance. The maintenance is a lot more expensive.
more expensive. >> Got it. Got it. Now, the asphalt, the
>> Got it. Got it. Now, the asphalt, the asphalt is great. I think the the
asphalt is great. I think the the biggest concern I have is getting used
biggest concern I have is getting used to um is I'm a knobbyby guy, right? I
to um is I'm a knobbyby guy, right? I all every single one of my bikes except
all every single one of my bikes except for that Huffy I just showed you, they
for that Huffy I just showed you, they all have knobbyby tires, right? So I am
all have knobbyby tires, right? So I am still terrified about these slicks.
still terrified about these slicks. Uh and [laughter]
Uh and [laughter] I don't know why. I know it's probably
I don't know why. I know it's probably stupid and I'm wearing a helmet, etc.,
stupid and I'm wearing a helmet, etc., etc., But, uh, I I'm terrified to
etc., But, uh, I I'm terrified to destroy my shoulder than it already is.
destroy my shoulder than it already is. So, um, that the fear is I I got to work
So, um, that the fear is I I got to work through that fear and figure out how to
through that fear and figure out how to get through that.
get through that. >> Oh, that's that's completely normal. I
>> Oh, that's that's completely normal. I think most people most people are used
think most people most people are used to the dirt turns or, you know, just
to the dirt turns or, you know, just being on dirt and sliding, but you're
being on dirt and sliding, but you're not used to having this grip.
not used to having this grip. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> But yeah, you don't need the knobbies on
>> But yeah, you don't need the knobbies on the asphalt. Nice street tire will get
the asphalt. Nice street tire will get you good.
you good. >> Yeah. And you know, um, I was really
>> Yeah. And you know, um, I was really torn. So, um, I I think I sent you an
torn. So, um, I I think I sent you an image and you and I had last talked
image and you and I had last talked about, uh, me going when I left the park
about, uh, me going when I left the park going going directly to Green Mountain
going going directly to Green Mountain and buying that We the People swamp
and buying that We the People swamp master.
master. >> Oh, nice.
>> Oh, nice. >> Yeah. Well, no, we talked about it,
>> Yeah. Well, no, we talked about it, right? And you had me convinced, dude. I
right? And you had me convinced, dude. I was I was like on my way. I was going,
was I was like on my way. I was going, right? And I'm just doing it. I don't
right? And I'm just doing it. I don't care. Like, I found a little extra money
care. Like, I found a little extra money and an account I didn't know I had. like
and an account I didn't know I had. like ah we're doing this right. So um I got a
ah we're doing this right. So um I got a I got a call from a mutual friend uh and
I got a call from a mutual friend uh and or a text and he's like can you and I
or a text and he's like can you and I kind of told him what I was doing and he
kind of told him what I was doing and he was basically said you sure you want to
was basically said you sure you want to think like you might want to think about
think like you might want to think about that.
that. So I'm like son of a So I I like drive
So I'm like son of a So I I like drive all the way down there and I'm like and
all the way down there and I'm like and I pretty much talked myself out of it.
I pretty much talked myself out of it. Um, I did go and test ride it. It I I I
Um, I did go and test ride it. It I I I still want it, but that kind of
still want it, but that kind of investment is that's a that's that's an
investment is that's a that's that's an investment.
investment. >> It's an investment.
>> It's an investment. >> It is. But I found a cool fun new
>> It is. But I found a cool fun new restore.
And uh, by nature, it's a BMX that comes with slicks or should have slicks. But I
with slicks or should have slicks. But I did, you know, I said screw it and I put
did, you know, I said screw it and I put knobbies on it or I'm putting knobbies
knobbies on it or I'm putting knobbies on it right now. Um, I think I sent you
on it right now. Um, I think I sent you the picture, but that F1, that
the picture, but that F1, that Diamondback Formula One, the F1 geared
Diamondback Formula One, the F1 geared bike.
bike. >> That was nice.
>> That was nice. >> Yeah, that's my that's my latest
>> Yeah, that's my that's my latest restore, man. That's fun. And uh, so I'm
restore, man. That's fun. And uh, so I'm I kind of I'm kind of joking with a
I kind of I'm kind of joking with a buddy. I was like, "Hey, we got to take
buddy. I was like, "Hey, we got to take this out to Coleman and get this on the
this out to Coleman and get this on the track once it's ready." Uh, just for why
track once it's ready." Uh, just for why not, right?
not, right? >> Yes. When's the last time you went to
>> Yes. When's the last time you went to Coleman? Uh not since that last time I
Coleman? Uh not since that last time I saw you.
saw you. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> Yeah. So that uh
>> Yeah. So that uh >> trying to get updates.
>> trying to get updates. >> Yeah. No, it's still that last time that
>> Yeah. No, it's still that last time that I saw you. So it's been a couple of
I saw you. So it's been a couple of weeks. I me itching to get up there. Um
weeks. I me itching to get up there. Um it was I had some some health stuff to
it was I had some some health stuff to deal with that kept me off a bike for a
deal with that kept me off a bike for a little bit. Um and I'm pretty much back
little bit. Um and I'm pretty much back in full gear and trying to get things
in full gear and trying to get things figured out.
figured out. >> Sounds good. Yeah,
>> Sounds good. Yeah, >> I'll see you in a few weeks.
>> I'll see you in a few weeks. >> Heck yeah. Okay, perfect. Let me know
>> Heck yeah. Okay, perfect. Let me know when you're in town, man. Love to go out
when you're in town, man. Love to go out there and learn a little from you. Uh
there and learn a little from you. Uh because I I'll tell you what, um working
because I I'll tell you what, um working the Coleman, working with you just for
the Coleman, working with you just for that short little time I was able to
that short little time I was able to work with you, man. I can't tell you the
work with you, man. I can't tell you the last time I had that much fun, right? I
last time I had that much fun, right? I >> I hardly ever leave my house, etc., etc.
>> I hardly ever leave my house, etc., etc. And um when you're like, "All right,
And um when you're like, "All right, let's we're gonna put you on on the
let's we're gonna put you on on the asphalt door." I was like, "Well, all
asphalt door." I was like, "Well, all right, [ __ ] it. Let's do it." Right. And
right, [ __ ] it. Let's do it." Right. And um then that was fun. That was a blast.
um then that was fun. That was a blast. >> Yeah, it was a great great team we had
>> Yeah, it was a great great team we had going. We all had our little parts.
going. We all had our little parts. >> It was I mean it it was poetry in motion
>> It was I mean it it was poetry in motion straight up.
straight up. >> It was we It was I feel like it was a
>> It was we It was I feel like it was a miracle how all that happened. The way
miracle how all that happened. The way everybody came together, the money, the
everybody came together, the money, the timing, the weather,
timing, the weather, >> it it couldn't I couldn't have done it
>> it it couldn't I couldn't have done it any better. Yeah, that's
any better. Yeah, that's >> I really could have.
>> I really could have. >> Yeah, that's it. It's it's awesome. Um
>> Yeah, that's it. It's it's awesome. Um um
um speaking of I guess couldn't have done
speaking of I guess couldn't have done anything better. If if you would reflect
anything better. If if you would reflect I guess on that statement,
I guess on that statement, um
um what were some of the biggest challenges
what were some of the biggest challenges that you faced getting it approved and
that you faced getting it approved and and getting it finally brought to the
and getting it finally brought to the table?
table? uh minus manpower challenges you might
uh minus manpower challenges you might have had uh
have had uh that that that we may run into here in
that that that we may run into here in Litage or Warwick Township getting our
Litage or Warwick Township getting our pump tracks built our pump track built.
pump tracks built our pump track built. >> Well, it really comes down to finding
>> Well, it really comes down to finding the right ear to hear you at the right
the right ear to hear you at the right time.
time. >> Sure. It So, you're just going to have
>> Sure. It So, you're just going to have to keep repeating yourself over and over
to keep repeating yourself over and over at these meetings until somebody hears
at these meetings until somebody hears you or just had enough of hearing you.
you or just had enough of hearing you. [laughter]
[laughter] Let's be done with it. Let's get it
Let's be done with it. Let's get it built for you. You
built for you. You >> I love it. No, we'll
>> I love it. No, we'll >> we'll get to we'll get to we'll get to
>> we'll get to we'll get to we'll get to where what happened at the la last
where what happened at the la last meeting here shortly. But uh yeah, so
meeting here shortly. But uh yeah, so we've I've got an update coming soon
we've I've got an update coming soon hopefully.
hopefully. >> Um so let's see here. So
>> Um so let's see here. So >> an update is good. [laughter]
>> an update is good. [laughter] >> Yes.
>> Yes. Um, so with regards to the the build
Um, so with regards to the the build process,
process, um, like the community showing up,
um, like the community showing up, people who volunteered, your team, that
people who volunteered, your team, that kind of thing. Uh, is there anything
kind of thing. Uh, is there anything you'd like to point out specifically
you'd like to point out specifically regarding that build with those people
regarding that build with those people or those influencers on the project or
or those influencers on the project or anybody you'd like to specifically call
anybody you'd like to specifically call out and say thanks to?
out and say thanks to? I mean,
I mean, >> it's a long list probably. I know. It's
>> it's a long list probably. I know. It's like you're at the Oscars, right?
like you're at the Oscars, right? >> That's too long of a list. And everyone,
>> That's too long of a list. And everyone, no matter what you did was you could I
no matter what you did was you could I couldn't have done it without you.
couldn't have done it without you. >> How big or little your part was like, I
>> How big or little your part was like, I couldn't have done it without you.
couldn't have done it without you. Handing me a drink when I'm thirsty is
Handing me a drink when I'm thirsty is so valuable.
so valuable. >> You're right.
>> You're right. >> You know, you don't have to move a
>> You know, you don't have to move a wheelbarrow. You don't have to shape
wheelbarrow. You don't have to shape with a rake. Just being there and being
with a rake. Just being there and being present and being valuable whenever you
present and being valuable whenever you have to be. That's is the most valuable
have to be. That's is the most valuable thing to us and how our team operates.
thing to us and how our team operates. >> When you look back, we need water
>> When you look back, we need water >> and somebody's there with it. You guys
>> and somebody's there with it. You guys were there with it.
were there with it. >> Yeah. You know what it reminded me of? A
>> Yeah. You know what it reminded me of? A lot of uh back when I was in the Navy,
lot of uh back when I was in the Navy, and there's probably a thousand
and there's probably a thousand references for this, but it really
references for this, but it really reminded me, it put me back in the
reminded me, it put me back in the mindset of like an ammo onload, ammo
mindset of like an ammo onload, ammo offload, right? where you're going
offload, right? where you're going through very specific steps and each
through very specific steps and each person has their their micro
person has their their micro uh cosm of importance, but it's still
uh cosm of importance, but it's still importance to the entire system of
importance to the entire system of getting the ammunition on and off of
getting the ammunition on and off of that warship, right?
that warship, right? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> And it's it really kind of reminded me
>> And it's it really kind of reminded me of that and put that in my head. It was
of that and put that in my head. It was kind of it was I had a blast, man. I
kind of it was I had a blast, man. I can't say enough about it.
can't say enough about it. It's a it is a great exercise in
It's a it is a great exercise in teamwork and when you're done at the end
teamwork and when you're done at the end of the day with those types of teams it
of the day with those types of teams it it really just opens your minds up to
it really just opens your minds up to man we can do all kinds of cool stuff
man we can do all kinds of cool stuff here you know like so it it's yeah it
here you know like so it it's yeah it that was an amazing thing it I couldn't
that was an amazing thing it I couldn't have planned it any better
have planned it any better >> I I love it man it's like uh the movie
>> I I love it man it's like uh the movie Encanto we watch that a lot around my
Encanto we watch that a lot around my house right now where the town's people
house right now where the town's people show up and we have no gifts but we are
show up and we have no gifts but we are any and uh we can do anything. So it
any and uh we can do anything. So it kind of kind of got that vibe.
kind of kind of got that vibe. >> We can.
>> We can. >> Exactly. Exactly.
>> Exactly. Exactly. >> Just need to get together. We all need
>> Just need to get together. We all need to get to them meetings. I need to get
to get to them meetings. I need to get to them meetings. And I'm building right
to them meetings. And I'm building right now, but I'll be home soon to help you
now, but I'll be home soon to help you guys. I promise.
guys. I promise. >> I love it. And you are doing your part
>> I love it. And you are doing your part as I I take great appreciation for what
as I I take great appreciation for what you're doing. and and maybe only three
you're doing. and and maybe only three people listen to this recording,
people listen to this recording, >> but maybe those are the right three
>> but maybe those are the right three people that get talk to somebody or what
people that get talk to somebody or what have you, right? Maybe we I it doesn't
have you, right? Maybe we I it doesn't happen if you don't do the work. That's
happen if you don't do the work. That's all I got to say.
all I got to say. >> And all you need is one.
>> And all you need is one. >> That's right. Um
>> That's right. Um >> all you need is one.
>> all you need is one. >> But there's there's one thing there's I
>> But there's there's one thing there's I think there's there's probably one thing
think there's there's probably one thing about Coleman Park that I haven't
about Coleman Park that I haven't touched on and if it's off limits, we're
touched on and if it's off limits, we're cool.
cool. Um
Um there was a memorial
there was a memorial so to say there.
so to say there. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Would you mind sharing or do you mind
>> Would you mind sharing or do you mind sharing and I won't I don't want to
sharing and I won't I don't want to share as perfectly valid
share as perfectly valid answer but would you like would you mind
answer but would you like would you mind sharing a little bit about that to kind
sharing a little bit about that to kind of memorialize that somehow?
>> Give me a second. >> Sure.
>> Sure. That was
me that was a very pivotal thing that happened in my career.
thing that happened in my career. >> Yeah. Of doing all this.
>> Yeah. Of doing all this. >> Yeah. out of the 60s some tracks, you
>> Yeah. out of the 60s some tracks, you know, I never had to do anything like
know, I never had to do anything like that or a thought I wanted to, you know,
that or a thought I wanted to, you know, those thoughts have come in my head, but
those thoughts have come in my head, but it was me like when I die, I hope
it was me like when I die, I hope somebody puts me in a jump, you know?
somebody puts me in a jump, you know? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Take me to the BMX track.
>> Take me to the BMX track. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Put me in the dirt. Something. I don't
>> Put me in the dirt. Something. I don't know. Take me to where the bikes are.
know. Take me to where the bikes are. And the kids are smiling.
And the kids are smiling. >> Um,
>> Um, >> it sounds like a dream to be honest.
>> it sounds like a dream to be honest. >> Yeah. So, you know, Corey Corey Martin
>> Yeah. So, you know, Corey Corey Martin is a legend in Lebanon. Anybody who rode
is a legend in Lebanon. Anybody who rode a bike knew who Corey was.
a bike knew who Corey was. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Corey was an amazing guy and he
>> Yeah. Corey was an amazing guy and he always stood up for what was right and
always stood up for what was right and what was true.
what was true. >> That's what was awesome about Corey.
>> That's what was awesome about Corey. >> I love it.
>> I love it. >> And he always helped everybody. He
>> And he always helped everybody. He helped kids get bikes. They had a flat
helped kids get bikes. They had a flat tire, you go get them a tire, fix their
tire, you go get them a tire, fix their chains, fix their brakes, just get kids
chains, fix their brakes, just get kids riding.
riding. Yeah. Like a like a hero on a bike or
Yeah. Like a like a hero on a bike or for a bike.
for a bike. >> Yeah, dude. He was I dug next to that
>> Yeah, dude. He was I dug next to that guy for all my life.
guy for all my life. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Him and I were kind of like outcasts.
>> Him and I were kind of like outcasts. >> Oh wow.
>> Oh wow. >> In our in our little BMX culture.
>> In our in our little BMX culture. [laughter]
[laughter] >> Really?
>> Really? >> Back back then we had jumps everywhere.
>> Back back then we had jumps everywhere. There was such such a crew of
There was such such a crew of >> really good guys. FOD and Eversouls and
>> really good guys. FOD and Eversouls and >> Clay Mountain Cinders, whatever we all
>> Clay Mountain Cinders, whatever we all called it. We all had our own little
called it. We all had our own little gates, but there was such a great
gates, but there was such a great generation of guys before us.
generation of guys before us. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> So, when we showed up as little kids,
>> So, when we showed up as little kids, like
like >> we had to go dig our own jumps because
>> we had to go dig our own jumps because they didn't let us [laughter]
they didn't let us [laughter] >> little did they know, we were
>> little did they know, we were fine-tuning our skills, you know.
fine-tuning our skills, you know. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Oh, man.
>> Oh, man. >> We built I don't know if you've ever
>> We built I don't know if you've ever been to VA. [snorts]
been to VA. [snorts] >> Uh, I've I've spent some time in
>> Uh, I've I've spent some time in Fairfax, but that's about it.
Fairfax, but that's about it. >> No. Well, so there was at the Lebanon
>> No. Well, so there was at the Lebanon VA.
VA. >> Oh, the Lebanon VA. Oh, yeah. I I'm
>> Oh, the Lebanon VA. Oh, yeah. I I'm there all of the time. All the time.
there all of the time. All the time. >> So, across the street in the back.
>> So, across the street in the back. >> Yep.
>> Yep. >> In in that patch of woods there, we had
>> In in that patch of woods there, we had >> probably the best jumps Lebanon ever had
>> probably the best jumps Lebanon ever had >> back there hitting
>> back there hitting >> What
>> What >> was that? South Park because I'm trying
>> was that? South Park because I'm trying to figure out where South Park was. Is
to figure out where South Park was. Is it South Park?
it South Park? >> No, South Park's over IN LIKE
>> No, South Park's over IN LIKE PITTSBURGH.
PITTSBURGH. >> OH, OKAY. But there was a BMX track in
>> OH, OKAY. But there was a BMX track in Lebanon, I thought. or is they're just
Lebanon, I thought. or is they're just jumps. For some reason, I thought there
jumps. For some reason, I thought there were actual tracks.
were actual tracks. >> These were these were just dirt jumps.
>> These were these were just dirt jumps. >> Okay. All right.
>> Okay. All right. >> Probably about a mile away from the old
>> Probably about a mile away from the old BMX track.
BMX track. >> Okay, perfect. Okay, now I can kind So,
>> Okay, perfect. Okay, now I can kind So, okay, perfect.
okay, perfect. >> So, that was Corey and I's thing. We're
>> So, that was Corey and I's thing. We're the ones who dug that. VA was very large
the ones who dug that. VA was very large and in charge jumps and guys were coming
and in charge jumps and guys were coming from all over.
from all over. >> VA was a great great spot.
>> VA was a great great spot. >> I love it.
>> I love it. >> Yeah, man. In fact, what's what's
>> Yeah, man. In fact, what's what's interesting is u to kind of to to bring
interesting is u to kind of to to bring things to that because I've been
things to that because I've been thinking about the situation um a lot
thinking about the situation um a lot because I you know I've been thinking
because I you know I've been thinking about talking with you and and Coleman
about talking with you and and Coleman and all that and and and I've had my own
and all that and and and I've had my own it's they're published I don't hide my
it's they're published I don't hide my mental health issues. Um but I actually
mental health issues. Um but I actually spent time in residential
spent time in residential and
and uh let's see but uh well I did a
uh let's see but uh well I did a residential program there at that
residential program there at that Lebanon VA. So let's just say I know
Lebanon VA. So let's just say I know that grounds very well.
that grounds very well. >> Gotcha.
>> Gotcha. >> Yep.
>> Yep. >> Uh
>> Uh >> Gotcha.
>> Gotcha. >> So it's it's awesome, dude. I love it.
>> So it's it's awesome, dude. I love it. And I can actually imagine and see you I
And I can actually imagine and see you I mean in my imagination you guys out
mean in my imagination you guys out there digging digging and building these
there digging digging and building these jumps and just having a blast and
jumps and just having a blast and killing it.
killing it. >> We slept there many nights digging with
>> We slept there many nights digging with lanterns and candles and
lanterns and candles and >> he would always bring hot dogs and cook
>> he would always bring hot dogs and cook them over a little crappy fire.
them over a little crappy fire. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> We make it We couldn't make it too big
>> We make it We couldn't make it too big because nobody knew we were there, you
because nobody knew we were there, you know.
know. >> Yeah. Yeah. I love it. I absolutely love
>> Yeah. Yeah. I love it. I absolutely love it, man. That's so much fun. That was
it, man. That's so much fun. That was great.
great. >> Were you there that day when we put him
>> Were you there that day when we put him in the asphalt?
in the asphalt? >> I was there that morning. Um, you hadn't
>> I was there that morning. Um, you hadn't gotten to that. By the time I got home
gotten to that. By the time I got home and I don't know, like a little bit
and I don't know, like a little bit later when I checked, I saw the video,
later when I checked, I saw the video, but as far as I know, I was I had
but as far as I know, I was I had already left.
already left. >> Yeah, it it was that was an amazing day.
>> Yeah, it it was that was an amazing day. >> Very very special for for all of us that
>> Very very special for for all of us that that knew Corey. Yeah,
that knew Corey. Yeah, >> I think everybody loves what we did.
>> I think everybody loves what we did. It's just what he deserves, you know.
It's just what he deserves, you know. >> Ironically, so he came in a little
>> Ironically, so he came in a little baggie of ashes.
baggie of ashes. >> I forgot to take that baggie out of my
>> I forgot to take that baggie out of my um one of the pants I was wearing.
um one of the pants I was wearing. >> Oh, no.
>> Oh, no. >> And that that baggie came here with me
>> And that that baggie came here with me and I put the little tiny little bit of
and I put the little tiny little bit of remnants that was still in the baggie
remnants that was still in the baggie and the baggie in this track THAT WE'RE
and the baggie in this track THAT WE'RE CREATING.
CREATING. >> OH, OKAY. I love it.
>> OH, OKAY. I love it. Yes. And this
Yes. And this I shouldn't say this. This tracks is
I shouldn't say this. This tracks is probably my last track I'm going to
probably my last track I'm going to build as like a normal employee.
build as like a normal employee. >> Oh, okay.
>> Oh, okay. >> This is one like I'll come and build all
>> This is one like I'll come and build all the cool ones that we're going to get to
the cool ones that we're going to get to do at home and I'll do special projects
do at home and I'll do special projects that I have time for.
that I have time for. >> Okay. Um, but this track we're making
>> Okay. Um, but this track we're making now in Mapleton, Utah is one of the most
now in Mapleton, Utah is one of the most amazing,
amazing, awesomest things we could ever create in
awesomest things we could ever create in Asphalt. And we put so much new stuff.
Asphalt. And we put so much new stuff. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> In this track that it it's like
>> In this track that it it's like everybody's going to come and try to
everybody's going to come and try to copy it. How we did.
copy it. How we did. >> How so? If you don't mind sharing. Um,
>> How so? If you don't mind sharing. Um, so we had a 20 foot burn that we were
so we had a 20 foot burn that we were supposed to make. It was supposed to be
supposed to make. It was supposed to be a triple burn.
a triple burn. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> And the triple burns are great. They're
>> And the triple burns are great. They're super fun, but they've already been
super fun, but they've already been done. So, we decided to make this 20
done. So, we decided to make this 20 foot turn turkey tails. So, it's like a
foot turn turkey tails. So, it's like a big
big ribbon of big euro rollers, but they're
ribbon of big euro rollers, but they're called turkey tails.
called turkey tails. [laughter]
[laughter] >> All right. And it's just one of the
>> All right. And it's just one of the funnest things you could ever ride. It's
funnest things you could ever ride. It's a big 20 foot radius. You just kind of
a big 20 foot radius. You just kind of go up and down like a roller coaster.
go up and down like a roller coaster. And no matter what skill level you're
And no matter what skill level you're you're going to ride at, it's going to
you're going to ride at, it's going to be the funnest thing you're ever going
be the funnest thing you're ever going to ride. But connected to that turn is
to ride. But connected to that turn is also it's called the titty section.
also it's called the titty section. >> Okay?
>> Okay? >> Uh so if you can picture a boob,
>> Uh so if you can picture a boob, >> okay,
>> okay, >> at a skate park, just a round boob. Uh,
>> at a skate park, just a round boob. Uh, we got to build six round boobs
we got to build six round boobs together.
together. >> And so because there's multiple boobs,
>> And so because there's multiple boobs, THEY GET CALLED TITTIES.
THEY GET CALLED TITTIES. >> OH, [screaming] I LOVE IT.
>> OH, [screaming] I LOVE IT. >> KIND OF LIKE the formal name for it
>> KIND OF LIKE the formal name for it >> in Utah.
>> in Utah. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Wow.
>> Wow. >> So we usually only get to build one
>> So we usually only get to build one booth.
booth. >> But now we get there was a whole section
>> But now we get there was a whole section where there's three lanes that combined.
where there's three lanes that combined. >> Oh my god. And instead of making these
>> Oh my god. And instead of making these long wide 40 foot wide rollers, we just
long wide 40 foot wide rollers, we just made a bunch of boobs together.
made a bunch of boobs together. >> Yeah, I love it.
>> Yeah, I love it. >> And it is it's I can't get pictures of
>> And it is it's I can't get pictures of it in gravel. It kind of looks flat, but
it in gravel. It kind of looks flat, but the asphalt's coming in a week and it's
the asphalt's coming in a week and it's going to be the most amazing thing we've
going to be the most amazing thing we've ever seen in asphalt. And
ever seen in asphalt. And >> I can't wait to see it, man.
>> I can't wait to see it, man. >> The other builders are going to come and
>> The other builders are going to come and try to reproduce what we did here.
try to reproduce what we did here. >> Love it.
>> Love it. >> I don't even think we can reproduce what
>> I don't even think we can reproduce what we did here. We we got lucky in the
we did here. We we got lucky in the design. We got lucky in our capacity to
design. We got lucky in our capacity to change the design.
change the design. And those two combination of things
And those two combination of things rarely happens. So this is like a a
rarely happens. So this is like a a really lucky thing to happen for anybody
really lucky thing to happen for anybody that's going to ever come and ride this
that's going to ever come and ride this best pump track in the whole United
best pump track in the whole United States.
States. >> I love it. And and did you
>> I love it. And and did you >> did you ever think you would say the
>> did you ever think you would say the phrase, "Someone's going to come
phrase, "Someone's going to come reproduce my titties."
reproduce my titties." >> Um, no. I've never thought I said that,
>> Um, no. I've never thought I said that, but I feel very fortunate to be able to
but I feel very fortunate to be able to say, [laughter]
say, [laughter] >> and I'm sure Dylan does, too. Dylan, I
>> and I'm sure Dylan does, too. Dylan, I hope you get to hear this one day. Thank
hope you get to hear this one day. Thank you for all that amazing stuff we just
you for all that amazing stuff we just did in the past two weeks.
did in the past two weeks. >> That is freaking cool, man. That is
>> That is freaking cool, man. That is cool. Yeah, we are so excited for this
cool. Yeah, we are so excited for this track. As builders, we've never
track. As builders, we've never encountered these shapes. We've never
encountered these shapes. We've never encountered these ideas.
encountered these ideas. And uh I hope everybody likes it.
And uh I hope everybody likes it. >> I love it, man. Um so, so I'm going to
>> I love it, man. Um so, so I'm going to kind of be selfish and bring it back to
kind of be selfish and bring it back to Litz Warwick Township, our build here
Litz Warwick Township, our build here for a minute. Um, and I'd love to kind
for a minute. Um, and I'd love to kind of get your take on the process, where
of get your take on the process, where we're at, kind of give you an overview
we're at, kind of give you an overview of what um, I recall from the meeting.
of what um, I recall from the meeting. It was back in fe February. Uh, and and
It was back in fe February. Uh, and and go from there.
go from there. >> Sounds good.
>> Sounds good. >> Awesome. So, our next wreck meeting is
>> Awesome. So, our next wreck meeting is on the 27th at 07:30. So, I'll I'll be
on the 27th at 07:30. So, I'll I'll be there. Um, and I was at the last one. It
there. Um, and I was at the last one. It was it was interesting. Actually, I
was it was interesting. Actually, I think it was in April. I could be wrong.
think it was in April. I could be wrong. Um March, I don't know. It's I'm
Um March, I don't know. It's I'm terrible with dates. But um I'll be
terrible with dates. But um I'll be there. But the uh so so when I went in
there. But the uh so so when I went in and at that the morning to that meeting,
and at that the morning to that meeting, there was somebody there that looked at
there was somebody there that looked at me and said, "You are the first person
me and said, "You are the first person from the community who's ever showed up
from the community who's ever showed up to one of these meetings."
to one of these meetings." >> That's awesome. It's a good
>> That's awesome. It's a good >> I I found that to be curious, right?
>> I I found that to be curious, right? That was that was interesting and and um
That was that was interesting and and um I I'll take that. Um well, whatever it
I I'll take that. Um well, whatever it is, I I'm I don't mind
is, I I'm I don't mind Ann's Dan's thrilled. Um but I I don't
Ann's Dan's thrilled. Um but I I don't mind being the person that shows up,
mind being the person that shows up, right? I I if I can. Um so I'll be at
right? I I if I can. Um so I'll be at the next one. But uh yeah, so the
the next one. But uh yeah, so the reception that I got there at first it
reception that I got there at first it was the township manager because it's
was the township manager because it's you know 7 something in the morning says
you know 7 something in the morning says to me I told you I would bring this up
to me I told you I would bring this up and I said I know I appreciate it. So
and I said I know I appreciate it. So then I I took my seat and he he brought
then I I took my seat and he he brought it up and there was a a healthy
it up and there was a a healthy discussion about the the concept of the
discussion about the the concept of the Warwick Township pump track. They
Warwick Township pump track. They essentially ruled out the municipal
essentially ruled out the municipal building park due to the lacrosse field
building park due to the lacrosse field and drainage. They essentially
and drainage. They essentially immediately
immediately ruled it out. And there's one there was
ruled it out. And there's one there was one gentleman who seemed
one gentleman who seemed not necessarily receptive to our
not necessarily receptive to our concept. Uh he brought up the point that
concept. Uh he brought up the point that he gets talked to all the time from
he gets talked to all the time from community members about needing more
community members about needing more field space.
field space. Um
Um I didn't see anybody there screaming for
I didn't see anybody there screaming for me for more field space. there's only
me for more field space. there's only some guy asking for a pump track, right?
some guy asking for a pump track, right? >> Um, so that's my argument, but uh, so he
>> Um, so that's my argument, but uh, so he did his he did his poo poo or whatever.
did his he did his poo poo or whatever. Uh, but the remaining board members seem
Uh, but the remaining board members seem to be very receptive,
to be very receptive, but they I think they agreed that the
but they I think they agreed that the municipal building park is out and so it
municipal building park is out and so it wouldn't tie into the trail. The next
wouldn't tie into the trail. The next thought was moving it over to Dean
thought was moving it over to Dean Sailor Park, which was my my first
Sailor Park, which was my my first thought. um because there is a good
thought. um because there is a good amount of open space there.
amount of open space there. So with that in mind, the wreck
So with that in mind, the wreck board
board provided one an alternate which I'll
provided one an alternate which I'll bring up in a second, but two, they
bring up in a second, but two, they brought up they they directed the
brought up they they directed the Warwick Township manager Brian Harris to
Warwick Township manager Brian Harris to what's the word I'm looking for? So to
what's the word I'm looking for? So to come up with a study or whatever a
come up with a study or whatever a feasibility study a concept whatever I
feasibility study a concept whatever I don't know they want to know is this a
don't know they want to know is this a good idea for lit
good idea for lit and the time between then and April I
and the time between then and April I think is most accurate now and this
think is most accurate now and this coming July 27th 26th
coming July 27th 26th on the 27th 2026
on the 27th 2026 he that we're supposed we're expecting
he that we're supposed we're expecting to report then his report then.
to report then his report then. So he seemed very favorable. He's been
So he seemed very favorable. He's been ve he's been absolutely amazing uh with
ve he's been absolutely amazing uh with this because he you know he he mentioned
this because he you know he he mentioned before he he visited the Mckenji pump
before he he visited the Mckenji pump track with his kids, right? So he's he's
track with his kids, right? So he's he's favorable of the concept which I love.
favorable of the concept which I love. Um and I'm sure he's I'm sure he I don't
Um and I'm sure he's I'm sure he I don't know what he rides but I'm sure he rides
know what he rides but I'm sure he rides pretty significantly a lot. But um that
pretty significantly a lot. But um that being said, so we're expected to hear
being said, so we're expected to hear back on that report on the 27th, but the
back on that report on the 27th, but the alternate idea that was floated by
alternate idea that was floated by someone I I don't recall who who floated
someone I I don't recall who who floated it, but it seemed like it was a
it, but it seemed like it was a wellreceived concept, and if I'm not
wellreceived concept, and if I'm not mistaken, somebody from
mistaken, somebody from the company uh is on the record board. I
the company uh is on the record board. I I I I don't know. I don't have that
I I I don't know. I don't have that confirmed.
confirmed. Um
Um but if the city doesn't
but if the city doesn't move forward with the the project, they
move forward with the the project, they seem to be supportive of the idea of
seem to be supportive of the idea of pitching it to the rock lit. And I'm not
pitching it to the rock lit. And I'm not sure if you're familiar with the rock
sure if you're familiar with the rock lit, but
lit, but um wow of a conversation. I am familiar
um wow of a conversation. I am familiar with rock lits and that would be the
with rock lits and that would be the best place we could get. We could do
best place we could get. We could do some sort of collaboration with rock
some sort of collaboration with rock lits and get a really awesome design.
lits and get a really awesome design. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> With them because their property is
>> With them because their property is fully designed, so amazing, so
fully designed, so amazing, so beautiful. And we can just come in and
beautiful. And we can just come in and and
and add to that our idea of beauty.
add to that our idea of beauty. >> I agree. I agree. I I think it's a
>> I agree. I agree. I I think it's a tremendous opportunity for the rock lit.
tremendous opportunity for the rock lit. Um, and the community, if I'm not
Um, and the community, if I'm not mistaken, they already have a trail
mistaken, they already have a trail system out there. I I haven't been out
system out there. I I haven't been out there yet.
there yet. >> Um, and it's it I'm really excited for
>> Um, and it's it I'm really excited for the concept because because honestly, my
the concept because because honestly, my entire business model is based off of
entire business model is based off of the rock lit as my primary customer. So,
the rock lit as my primary customer. So, I'll take that as a side win, too. So,
I'll take that as a side win, too. So, >> Oh, definitely. Yeah, that would that we
>> Oh, definitely. Yeah, that would that we could do something so great for everyone
could do something so great for everyone involved.
involved. >> Yeah. In the design in the design phase
>> Yeah. In the design in the design phase and getting something that just
and getting something that just complements their property and what they
complements their property and what they got going on with music.
got going on with music. >> Yeah, exactly. And um and oh, they just
>> Yeah, exactly. And um and oh, they just bought this there's a grocery store
bought this there's a grocery store that's just closing. So, the hotel
that's just closing. So, the hotel itself just bought Wiser Grocery Store
itself just bought Wiser Grocery Store right right next to them. So they're
right right next to them. So they're going to be converting that property too
going to be converting that property too more hotel property apparently.
more hotel property apparently. Um so they're just they're growing like
Um so they're just they're growing like crazy. It's insane, right? And just they
crazy. It's insane, right? And just they can offer this amazing
can offer this amazing pump track, a multi-port pump track as
pump track, a multi-port pump track as an offering to their elite clientele. Um
an offering to their elite clientele. Um and control the grounds with which it's
and control the grounds with which it's on. So it's it's I think it's a huge
on. So it's it's I think it's a huge win. And my goal is to at least inject
win. And my goal is to at least inject myself into the process to say, "Hey, at
myself into the process to say, "Hey, at least talk to a couple of guys that I
least talk to a couple of guys that I know so that we don't turn out to be the
know so that we don't turn out to be the laughing stock of the pump track
laughing stock of the pump track community."
community." >> Oh, dude, we can do such cool things. We
>> Oh, dude, we can do such cool things. We could even make like a a treble cliff.
could even make like a a treble cliff. >> No.
>> No. >> So when you like look at it from the
>> So when you like look at it from the sky, it looks like a treble cliff.
sky, it looks like a treble cliff. >> I love it, dude. Maybe someone from the
>> I love it, dude. Maybe someone from the rock will hear this and we can make that
rock will hear this and we can make that happen or some kind of note or any music
happen or some kind of note or any music and thing. Who knows, right? There's the
and thing. Who knows, right? There's the the the the world is your oyster, right?
the the the world is your oyster, right? >> Yeah. We just got to sit down and talk
>> Yeah. We just got to sit down and talk about it and make something really
about it and make something really really awesome.
really awesome. >> Just to fit their national stage, we
>> Just to fit their national stage, we could we could do that.
could we could do that. >> Yeah. I love it, man. And um so so kind
>> Yeah. I love it, man. And um so so kind of hearing where
of hearing where that update um how do you think we're
that update um how do you think we're doing? How how how are we as a Warwick
doing? How how how are we as a Warwick township lit community doing in this
township lit community doing in this process? My really the first meeting I
process? My really the first meeting I think was December that I attended maybe
think was December that I attended maybe January.
January. >> Um you guys are doing great. I mean,
>> Um you guys are doing great. I mean, just the fact that you're at the stages
just the fact that you're at the stages that you're at here on the east coast,
that you're at here on the east coast, it's slowly waking up the east coast to
it's slowly waking up the east coast to how good these pump tracks are and what
how good these pump tracks are and what good they bring to the communities. And
good they bring to the communities. And so, you know, you guys are right on
so, you know, you guys are right on track. These things take
track. These things take >> years, sometimes five, six years I've
>> years, sometimes five, six years I've been on projects trying to get the get
been on projects trying to get the get the implementation of building started.
the implementation of building started. [laughter]
[laughter] So, it takes some time. We we got so
So, it takes some time. We we got so lucky with Coleman Park in the with the
lucky with Coleman Park in the with the really
really >> year and a half of serious,
>> year and a half of serious, >> but um no, you guys are well on track.
>> but um no, you guys are well on track. >> I love it and thank you. Um and I I
>> I love it and thank you. Um and I I apologize, but this kind of jumped out
apologize, but this kind of jumped out at me as a question. Um, so if we do end
at me as a question. Um, so if we do end up going down
up going down the rock lit path, right, or if they
the rock lit path, right, or if they step in to help out or they get involved
step in to help out or they get involved or take on the project, whatever happens
or take on the project, whatever happens there,
there, >> do you have much experience dealing with
>> do you have much experience dealing with private organizations like that versus
private organizations like that versus municipalities? And what can what are
municipalities? And what can what are some of the benefits? What could be some
some of the benefits? What could be some of the detractors? Um what what kind of
of the detractors? Um what what kind of different beast might we be dealing with
different beast might we be dealing with by going this quote unquote private rock
by going this quote unquote private rock let it path?
let it path? >> Um the private builds are a lot better
>> Um the private builds are a lot better when you're not dealing with townships
when you're not dealing with townships or counties or whenever the government
or counties or whenever the government buys these. There's a lot of more people
buys these. There's a lot of more people you got to talk to. A lot of more
you got to talk to. A lot of more hurdles you got to go over private
hurdles you got to go over private builds or private builds. You go in, you
builds or private builds. You go in, you talk about it with the customer, and you
talk about it with the customer, and you get your permits and your
get your permits and your insuranceances, and that's it. It's it's
insuranceances, and that's it. It's it's it's a lot more streamlined to get it at
it's a lot more streamlined to get it at a place like Rock Litics than a Township
a place like Rock Litics than a Township Park.
Park. >> Interesting. cuz I I keep thinking from
>> Interesting. cuz I I keep thinking from a private perspective
a private perspective accountability and insurance
accountability and insurance and not having the protections that a
and not having the protections that a municipality would have. I I would I
municipality would have. I I would I keep coming back to that being a
keep coming back to that being a hindrance. Would is there any hindrance
hindrance. Would is there any hindrance by somebody like the rock glitz
by somebody like the rock glitz uh taking this on from that insurance or
uh taking this on from that insurance or liability aspect?
liability aspect? >> Um well there will be a change in the
>> Um well there will be a change in the insurance and liability. U but it it'll
insurance and liability. U but it it'll the track itself will just add to what
the track itself will just add to what rock lit is and draw in the money it
rock lit is and draw in the money it needs to to cover that expense.
needs to to cover that expense. >> Fair enough. So they are they are
>> Fair enough. So they are they are looking. Sorry. Go ahead.
looking. Sorry. Go ahead. >> There's a worldass facility and they'll
>> There's a worldass facility and they'll get a worldass pump track to and the
get a worldass pump track to and the artists that go there, they know what
artists that go there, they know what pump tracks are because they go to the
pump tracks are because they go to the west coast and see these things and
west coast and see these things and they're probably like, why don't you
they're probably like, why don't you guys have this stuff? So
guys have this stuff? So like that's it is the reality. I think
like that's it is the reality. I think here in Salt Lake where I'm at right
here in Salt Lake where I'm at right now, I could go to 10 different pump
now, I could go to 10 different pump tracks within an hour.
tracks within an hour. >> Okay. All right. That's that's killer. I
>> Okay. All right. That's that's killer. I mean, I know we're getting a lot around
mean, I know we're getting a lot around here. Um, and and hopefully that dream
here. Um, and and hopefully that dream of having a a local circuit for
of having a a local circuit for competition. Uh, I hope that comes to
competition. Uh, I hope that comes to fruition in some form or fashion five,
fruition in some form or fashion five, 10 years down the line.
10 years down the line. >> Um, but we'll see.
>> Um, but we'll see. >> Yeah, it's I think I I I see it. I I see
>> Yeah, it's I think I I I see it. I I see it, my friend. I really do.
it, my friend. I really do. >> Yeah, I do, too. And it'll be good times
>> Yeah, I do, too. And it'll be good times because the pump tracks are a lot lot
because the pump tracks are a lot lot nicer of an atmosphere. It seems a lot
nicer of an atmosphere. It seems a lot more familyfriendly. Not that the BMX
more familyfriendly. Not that the BMX tracks are, but there's there's a stress
tracks are, but there's there's a stress that's not there that you encounter at
that's not there that you encounter at BMX track.
BMX track. >> It's way different. Yeah.
>> It's way different. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's way more fun and relaxing.
>> Yeah. It's way more fun and relaxing. >> Yeah. When when I when I look at a
>> Yeah. When when I when I look at a track, a BMX track, I can see the
track, a BMX track, I can see the intimidation. When I look at the pump
intimidation. When I look at the pump track, I can still see intimidation, but
track, I can still see intimidation, but >> it feels
>> it feels less and more open and like I know if I
less and more open and like I know if I have a scooter, I could take it on that
have a scooter, I could take it on that pump track. I can't take it on a BMX
pump track. I can't take it on a BMX track. If I have a skateboard, I could
track. If I have a skateboard, I could take it on that paved
take it on that paved >> uh you know, on that pump track. I can't
>> uh you know, on that pump track. I can't take it on the BMX track. Really? Um
take it on the BMX track. Really? Um >> all wheels. Exactly. All wheels. and and
>> all wheels. Exactly. All wheels. and and as I always like to point out um uh
as I always like to point out um uh adaptive writer capabilities
adaptive writer capabilities uh so it can be built for the adaptive
uh so it can be built for the adaptive writer community as well. So I I think
writer community as well. So I I think that's a huge consideration.
that's a huge consideration. >> Um so thank you. Uh this has been great.
>> Um so thank you. Uh this has been great. Be before we part ways, I just kind of
Be before we part ways, I just kind of want to ask are do you have any parting
want to ask are do you have any parting words of encouragement for me or that I
words of encouragement for me or that I could take to the board to to help bring
could take to the board to to help bring this project home?
this project home? >> Oh man, you're doing great, brother.
>> Oh man, you're doing great, brother. Just keep showing up and eventually
Just keep showing up and eventually you'll change the world. So
you'll change the world. So >> I love it, man.
>> I love it, man. >> You're doing great.
>> You're doing great. >> I love it. Like like Ben Harper said, I
>> I love it. Like like Ben Harper said, I can change the world with these two
can change the world with these two hands, right?
hands, right? >> Yes. [laughter]
>> Yes. [laughter] I love when I can I can flip in a Ben
I love when I can I can flip in a Ben Harper quote. Um, [laughter]
Harper quote. Um, [laughter] >> you know, Rock Lit seems like the
>> you know, Rock Lit seems like the perfect spot. It does. They have They We
perfect spot. It does. They have They We We all have an opportunity there,
We all have an opportunity there, including Rock Lit. So,
including Rock Lit. So, >> yeah, I agree. All right. Well, hey, I
>> yeah, I agree. All right. Well, hey, I appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank
appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
you. Thank you. >> Uh, you enjoy the rest of your day and
>> Uh, you enjoy the rest of your day and um, brother, I I appreciate you.
um, brother, I I appreciate you. I appreciate you, man. Thank you for all
I appreciate you, man. Thank you for all you do.
you do. >> All right. I love it. And you take care
>> All right. I love it. And you take care and uh we'll talk soon or ride soon. Let
and uh we'll talk soon or ride soon. Let me know when you're in town.
me know when you're in town. >> Yeah. I'll see you in a few weeks,
>> Yeah. I'll see you in a few weeks, brother.
brother. >> Perfect. Love it. Love it. Bye bye.
>> Perfect. Love it. Love it. Bye bye. >> All right. Take care.

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